Any Rennlisters from New Zealand?
01-03-2014, 12:28 AM
#7651
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Tony - you know my advice! Like John I'd be reluctant to buy an older car out of the UK unless I had a really reliable indy to do do full inspection. And you could burn a lot of PPI cash before settling on a good one. Also 964s (and 993s and older 911s) are way more expensive in the UK at the moment so importing makes no sense financially after you pay shipping and GST. At GBP 25k a decent 964 will be $60-65k landed here. Just not worth it. Even a cheap Gen 1 Cayman S from the UK at around GBP 18k won't land and get on the road here much beneath $48k. Either of the silver ones at JZM would fit the bill there. Though remember the midnight blue tip at Contis a few months back was listed at $49k and had lower mileage than those. So a NZ new one would still be preferable if you can find a manual one. But at that price you are above budget as I understand it.... So back to my advice. Buy on condition and buy the best 964 that you can afford. They are rare enough that good ones don't come around all that often and when they do in manual they don't last long. If you hang around looking for a 'bargain' then I think you'll miss the boat. An alternative given how you want to use the car would be a manual 996 with the IMS done and the bores scoped. All the cheap ones are tipos though. So I reckon you need to be decisive with the next car that 'floats your boat' - then we can start talking you into the next phase of mods... As to the sweepstake of when you will actually buy a car - I will stick (optimistically!) to Feb!! BTW - anyone reading from Hawkes Bay with a manual 964 or Cayman that they would consider selling (or who knows of one) - I know Tony is down that way over this weekend and keen to view. Nothing on TM this time of year.
01-03-2014, 12:30 AM
#7652
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Tony. If you are seriously in the market for a 964 then you would be mad not to buy David C2 (if its not already sold). Ive watched teh market along with other here for a good 10 years and I could count on one or two hands the good 964s that have come and gone. Its a thin market...best of luck with that...
01-03-2014, 12:36 AM
#7653
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The most recent base for a backdate is the 964. The beauty of those is that you can do it in stages, which is effectively what I've done. Talk to Steve as he has some of the parts e.g. a long nose bonnet with a 964 fixing point that obviates the need for cutting metal. Nothing I've done so far is redundant in a backdate and I get to refine the base car before the bodywork is done.
01-03-2014, 12:50 AM
#7654
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John. It looks almost perfect. 30-40mm drop and some clear front indicators are I reckon you are done with the exterior. David may end up with a Heigo for sale once he shifts the 964 so that could be an option with your RS door cards and RS rear parcel shelf carpet to complete the interior.
I may be putting an order in with Southbound in the UK soon if anyone wants to piggyback to save money on the freight....
I may be putting an order in with Southbound in the UK soon if anyone wants to piggyback to save money on the freight....
01-03-2014, 12:57 AM
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Tony - ditto - just buy David's car. It is the second best 964 manual that I know of (the only better car is the white one at the concourse, but this is a $60K+ car with very low miles and like new).
You need to realise that buying is just the starting point, you need to budget $10K in maintenance, or be lucky and buy Dave's which has had $20K poured into it by Matt and Dave over the last 2 years.
You will see there is a common theme here as we have all been bitten by experience and the solution to happy P-car ownership that doesn't eat you alive cost wise is common (only buy a car that already comes with an inch thick of recent maintenance bills, or you will be the one providing this inch of maintenance bills)
In summary, the car may be a few more dollars than you want to spend, or the timing may not quite be right - there are no P-car bargains, except for a car that has had a lot of recent money spent that can't be recovered (i.e. Dave's car). It may be a few more dollars than you plan to spend, but holistically it is the cheapest form of ownership as there is no major maintenance needed........
When you look around, Macca's car is amazing, but has $130K + of improvements, Sean's, my black 911 are $50K, Dave's and John's - circa $30K.
So don't be fooled by a $30K car on TM with lots of delayed maintenance, as it will be a $50K once you get it running right...........
End of lecture.............
You need to realise that buying is just the starting point, you need to budget $10K in maintenance, or be lucky and buy Dave's which has had $20K poured into it by Matt and Dave over the last 2 years.
You will see there is a common theme here as we have all been bitten by experience and the solution to happy P-car ownership that doesn't eat you alive cost wise is common (only buy a car that already comes with an inch thick of recent maintenance bills, or you will be the one providing this inch of maintenance bills)
In summary, the car may be a few more dollars than you want to spend, or the timing may not quite be right - there are no P-car bargains, except for a car that has had a lot of recent money spent that can't be recovered (i.e. Dave's car). It may be a few more dollars than you plan to spend, but holistically it is the cheapest form of ownership as there is no major maintenance needed........
When you look around, Macca's car is amazing, but has $130K + of improvements, Sean's, my black 911 are $50K, Dave's and John's - circa $30K.
So don't be fooled by a $30K car on TM with lots of delayed maintenance, as it will be a $50K once you get it running right...........
End of lecture.............
01-03-2014, 01:02 AM
#7656
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John. It looks almost perfect. 30-40mm drop and some clear front indicators are I reckon you are done with the exterior. David may end up with a Heigo for sale once he shifts the 964 so that could be an option with your RS door cards and RS rear parcel shelf carpet to complete the interior.
I may be putting an order in with Southbound in the UK soon if anyone wants to piggyback to save money on the freight....
I may be putting an order in with Southbound in the UK soon if anyone wants to piggyback to save money on the freight....
Macca - I think I need the grey carpet section for the transmission tunnel piece from behind the front seats - just discovered a small hole that I wish to resolve (unless you want to sell this portion of your carpet set when you do the RS carpet set...............
01-03-2014, 01:11 AM
#7657
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Tony - ditto - just buy David's car. It is the second best 964 manual that I know of (the only better car is the white one at the concourse, but this is a $60K+ car with very low miles and like new).
You need to realise that buying is just the starting point, you need to budget $10K in maintenance, or be lucky and buy Dave's which has had $20K poured into it by Matt and Dave over the last 2 years.
You will see there is a common theme here as we have all been bitten by experience and the solution to happy P-car ownership that doesn't eat you alive cost wise is common (only buy a car that already comes with an inch thick of recent maintenance bills, or you will be the one providing this inch of maintenance bills)
In summary, the car may be a few more dollars than you want to spend, or the timing may not quite be right - there are no P-car bargains, except for a car that has had a lot of recent money spent that can't be recovered (i.e. Dave's car). It may be a few more dollars than you plan to spend, but holistically it is the cheapest form of ownership as there is no major maintenance needed........
When you look around, Macca's car is amazing, but has $130K + of improvements, Sean's, my black 911 are $50K, Dave's and John's - circa $30K.
So don't be fooled by a $30K car on TM with lots of delayed maintenance, as it will be a $50K once you get it running right...........
End of lecture.............
You need to realise that buying is just the starting point, you need to budget $10K in maintenance, or be lucky and buy Dave's which has had $20K poured into it by Matt and Dave over the last 2 years.
You will see there is a common theme here as we have all been bitten by experience and the solution to happy P-car ownership that doesn't eat you alive cost wise is common (only buy a car that already comes with an inch thick of recent maintenance bills, or you will be the one providing this inch of maintenance bills)
In summary, the car may be a few more dollars than you want to spend, or the timing may not quite be right - there are no P-car bargains, except for a car that has had a lot of recent money spent that can't be recovered (i.e. Dave's car). It may be a few more dollars than you plan to spend, but holistically it is the cheapest form of ownership as there is no major maintenance needed........
When you look around, Macca's car is amazing, but has $130K + of improvements, Sean's, my black 911 are $50K, Dave's and John's - circa $30K.
So don't be fooled by a $30K car on TM with lots of delayed maintenance, as it will be a $50K once you get it running right...........
End of lecture.............
01-03-2014, 01:14 AM
#7658
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Very true. Some nice red brembos are really mandatory on a 911 hotrod no matter what the generation or backdate! Drilled rotors are sweet too. Unfortunately with the Fuchs you dont get to see much of those upgrades but they will certainly help once you are nudging the 1.20s bar at HD. Brake issues are consistent at HD with 964 running 1.20 or below from RSG experience. I think the factory didnt play catch up until the 993 in this regard. A set of 964 turbo rotors and calipers should do the trick!
01-03-2014, 01:19 AM
#7659
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Hi Paul. Thats not a part Im replacing. Southbound have agreed to do a customized rear RS parcel shelf carpet (they have the factory classic grey carpet still in stock - sent me a sample and its 100% and I dont know for how many years they will continue to have stock). Im still thinking it over. I wanted the "anniversary" script I created embroidered on it in black or silver thread (where the "Carrera RS" is usually put) and speaker holes. Theyve agreed to do it but its pricey so still mulling it over. They have the roiginal beading too. They can definitely do your price. Email David at Southbound. southboundmotor@btconnect.com .Your front drivers well undermatt should have a factory code (for classic grey 4XR). Just check that....
01-03-2014, 01:21 AM
#7660
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John. It looks almost perfect. 30-40mm drop and some clear front indicators are I reckon you are done with the exterior. David may end up with a Heigo for sale once he shifts the 964 so that could be an option with your RS door cards and RS rear parcel shelf carpet to complete the interior. I may be putting an order in with Southbound in the UK soon if anyone wants to piggyback to save money on the freight....
The Heigo is very tempting but the harness bar is an issue. It's too low for my RSR seats and I can't put the Heigo and my custom harness bar in at the same time. We've reached an agreement on his RS cards. Not sure about clear indicators on a white car. As for suspension, Steve is adamant that we do nothing right now. He is deriving systems to replicate and will install a set of coil overs into his own car first before recommending them to others. The RSR seats were another test, successful particularly for tall drivers who want to retain sliding ability.
01-03-2014, 01:37 AM
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Tony - ditto - just buy David's car. It is the second best 964 manual that I know of (the only better car is the white one at the concourse, but this is a $60K+ car with very low miles and like new).
You need to realise that buying is just the starting point, you need to budget $10K in maintenance, or be lucky and buy Dave's which has had $20K poured into it by Matt and Dave over the last 2 years.
You will see there is a common theme here as we have all been bitten by experience and the solution to happy P-car ownership that doesn't eat you alive cost wise is common (only buy a car that already comes with an inch thick of recent maintenance bills, or you will be the one providing this inch of maintenance bills)
In summary, the car may be a few more dollars than you want to spend, or the timing may not quite be right - there are no P-car bargains, except for a car that has had a lot of recent money spent that can't be recovered (i.e. Dave's car). It may be a few more dollars than you plan to spend, but holistically it is the cheapest form of ownership as there is no major maintenance needed........
When you look around, Macca's car is amazing, but has $130K + of improvements, Sean's, my black 911 are $50K, Dave's and John's - circa $30K.
So don't be fooled by a $30K car on TM with lots of delayed maintenance, as it will be a $50K once you get it running right...........
End of lecture.............
You need to realise that buying is just the starting point, you need to budget $10K in maintenance, or be lucky and buy Dave's which has had $20K poured into it by Matt and Dave over the last 2 years.
You will see there is a common theme here as we have all been bitten by experience and the solution to happy P-car ownership that doesn't eat you alive cost wise is common (only buy a car that already comes with an inch thick of recent maintenance bills, or you will be the one providing this inch of maintenance bills)
In summary, the car may be a few more dollars than you want to spend, or the timing may not quite be right - there are no P-car bargains, except for a car that has had a lot of recent money spent that can't be recovered (i.e. Dave's car). It may be a few more dollars than you plan to spend, but holistically it is the cheapest form of ownership as there is no major maintenance needed........
When you look around, Macca's car is amazing, but has $130K + of improvements, Sean's, my black 911 are $50K, Dave's and John's - circa $30K.
So don't be fooled by a $30K car on TM with lots of delayed maintenance, as it will be a $50K once you get it running right...........
End of lecture.............
01-03-2014, 01:41 AM
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Macca,
I am engrossed in these 9M threads at the moment...............
Rennsport gruppe trip to the UK in 2015 i reckon.........
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=230720
I am engrossed in these 9M threads at the moment...............
Rennsport gruppe trip to the UK in 2015 i reckon.........
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=230720
01-03-2014, 01:43 AM
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As for suspension, Steve is adamant that we do nothing right now. He is deriving systems to replicate and will install a set of coil overs into his own car first before recommending them to others. The RSR seats were another test, successful particularly for tall drivers who want to retain sliding ability.
01-03-2014, 01:47 AM
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Macca,
I am engrossed in these 9M threads at the moment...............
Rennsport gruppe trip to the UK in 2015 i reckon.........
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=230720
I am engrossed in these 9M threads at the moment...............
Rennsport gruppe trip to the UK in 2015 i reckon.........
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=230720
Too much eye candy in the UK/US - a Gruppe trip would be a wallet opener for sure. I was just looking at the 2nd hand PS Autoart backdate - POA but does mention the GBP165,000 build cost...
01-03-2014, 01:52 AM
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John. Looks like you have done plenty of thinking on it. I am also unsure if the clear indicators will help or hinder. They certainly will clean up the asthetics a bit. Can get busy with graphics race numbers etc. Sgame about the heigo but makes sense. I went for a seperate haness bar incase I put the recliners back in as I'm long of leg. Never got around to buying it as I really have no desire to put 6 points in the 993. Have had them fitted to the GT3 this week as supplied by porsche as it stops them going missing in transit and I think that's enough. Interesting suspension development coilover viaSteve. I'm not that patient myself. There is plenty of intel out there on what works. Kwv3 would be my pick for the 964 but no rush for you for a while as you say...