Originally Posted by John McM

C2 on trademe went to a Wellington buyer for $32,500.

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

Which car was this??

Originally Posted by John McM

The 1991 C2 ex HK on Trademe.. 105,000 km but looked a bit rough.

Originally Posted by Macca

John, I did alot of work on this when I tuned my engine. Luckily I could drive around with a laptop plugged in and record the trace as I have a much more flexible ECU than those used in the 993/996 gen cars. I can tell you from experience that heat soak (car idling static) can send IAT up to 20-25 above ambient. The hottest I ever managed to get my engine was 48C with the cone filter in summer static test. Its nothing much to do with the outside temp but lack of airflow over the heads. You have to remember your oil temps will be running 120 warm and maybe higher on the track (130?). That head goes into the block. When running the car if you are getting correct and optimal airflow over the heads, airbox and intake manifold your IAT on the run should be dropping back to ideally around 2-7 degrees above ambient dependent on how hard you are pushing the car and speed attained. On the track I would expect to see ambient + 4-5 in my car. Guys on the 993 board have done alot of testing and the factory electric rear spoiler is definitely the best for ventilation (not for downforce tho). The factory spent alot of money testing it. With the ductail there is a really real possibility it does not allow adequate ventilation for track work. The airflow may be backing up in the recess between the tail blade and the grill and creating a pocket of negative pressure preventing any air really passing through the grill and into the engine area at a certain speed. Just a hunch but Ive seen this before on some 993 ducktails - the best ductail for track work was the one below I almost bought last year and posted on this board (got a negative reaction). You will see the vent "gills" are like the factory one and angled to catch air as it comes down from the rear window.... Remember this has nothing to do with engine temp (oil temp) as your oil coolers are at the front of the car and may have plenty of adequate ventilation. You could try an airbox "snorkel" - they may have used them on the 964T to get the air feed closer to the wing grill (they did on the 993 as they obviously identified a weakness here). Of course it could well be none of these. The car runs well for the first session which is odd. I assume furthermore the first half of the first session is better than the second half. If it were the ductail I could only assume its not allowing the heat soak between sessions to be washed away by the following sessions air foil. Not sure how you measure this but suggets a lap with a passenger running the bosch hammer tool in the OBD1 socket reading out IAT will help - you could even do it on the motorway fine. Id say the issue will be above 80kmph if it exists at all. You should be getting between 2-4 C of the ambient on the motorway at around 100-120kmpg IMO... Hope this helps. Must dash now...

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

Thanks Dave, you can't have had your glasses on. The car is original but needs a bit of detailing. I'm not a fan of the twists on narrow body 993's. Personally I think the Cup II's on lowered suspension is the best look for stock a 993.

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

Would have been a good car for Chris's project?? Who did you know this? I thought the starting bid was $37K

Originally Posted by mikee6421

Paul, have you decided what suspension upgrade to go with?

Originally Posted by John McM

Paul, For a project manager you either seem to have a problem defining the objective or keeping to it!

You were talking family car. Now you're on the slippery slope. You don't need z221s for the road. Give into the force, make this the car you really want and sell the C3.

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

Not yet, I am really keen to have a closer look at your car and see what the ride is like (I need to ask you nicely to take me for a spin around the block and on some bumpy roads). I was thinking the PSS10's, but on reflection, are considering the Bilstien B6 with extra thread - the target is RS + 10mm and some neg camber. But I do like the flexibility of ride comfort and heights that the P10's offer, but don't actually need something this serious............but will I regret not spending the extra $2k while doing the suspension rebuild.........? I need to figure out what tires to use too as the current set are old and new tires just make such a massive difference to the ride. I am actually thinking Toyo 888's as they are road legal and good in the wet, so a nice road, occasional track combo. Also considering Hankook 221, but can't get my head around them being road legal?? First step is to get running in ship shape order, the car is in at Conti's getting a head to toe going over, a lot will depend on what's found and the $$ damage of this exercise. When John did this with his 964, it cost him $15K........... I have Saturday to Tuesday off at Papamoa beach, I will be developing a 'to do' list including short shift, golden rod, front bushes, engine mounts etc...., and getting Macca to peer review when he is in town in early Jan. He dosen't konw it yet, but I will be taking a harder look at his car and his advise on do's and don't bothers. There are a couple of things that I don't particularly enjoy about the car including the engine note!! (964's sound far better), it just doesn't sound like a 911 (i.e. air cooled boxer engine). I don't want to do a Macca and scare the neighbors. The fisters and other exhausts I see on you tube make them sound 'too throaty' for my tastes. I need an exhaust note solution that makes it sound like a boxer engine. I also don't like the gear shift (I know this is rich for a 915 box driver), it's too long and clunky, so hoping short shift and golden rod improve this. You can see where my stock standard, road car is heading..................

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

There are a couple of things that I don't particularly enjoy about the car including the engine note!! (964's sound far better), it just doesn't sound like a 911 (i.e. air cooled boxer engine). I don't want to do a Macca and scare the neighbors. The fisters and other exhausts I see on you tube make them sound 'too throaty' for my tastes, more like a V8 than a boxer engine. I need an exhaust note solution that makes it sound like a boxer engine.........

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

Thanks for thinking of me Macca..............

So where are Jo and you spending Xmas this year??

Originally Posted by kiwi 911

Not yet, I am really keen to have a closer look at your car and see what the ride is like (I need to ask you nicely to take me for a spin around the block and on some bumpy roads). I was thinking the PSS10's, but on reflection, are considering the Bilstien B6 with extra thread - the target is RS + 10mm and some neg camber. But I do like the flexibility of ride comfort and heights that the P10's offer, but don't actually need something this serious............but will I regret not spending the extra $2k while doing the suspension rebuild.........?

I need to figure out what tires to use too as the current set are old and new tires just make such a massive difference to the ride. I am actually thinking Toyo 888's as they are road legal and good in the wet, so a nice road, occasional track combo. Also considering Hankook 221, but can't get my head around them being road legal??

First step is to get running in ship shape order, the car is in at Conti's getting a head to toe going over, a lot will depend on what's found and the $$ damage of this exercise. When John did this with his 964, it cost him $15K...........

I have Saturday to Tuesday off at Papamoa beach, I will be developing a 'to do' list including short shift, golden rod, front bushes, engine mounts etc...., and getting Macca to peer review when he is in town in early Jan. He dosen't know it yet, but I will be taking a harder look at his car and his advise on do's and don't bothers.

There are a couple of things that I don't particularly enjoy about the car including the engine note!! (964's sound far better), it just doesn't sound like a 911 (i.e. air cooled boxer engine). I don't want to do a Macca and scare the neighbors. The fisters and other exhausts I see on you tube make them sound 'too throaty' for my tastes, more like a V8 than a boxer engine. I need an exhaust note solution that makes it sound like a boxer engine. I also don't like the gear shift (I know this is rich for a 915 box driver), it's too long and clunky, so hoping short shift and golden rod improve this.

You can see where my stock standard, road car is heading.................. The problem is I like my cars in 'club sport' spec.

I should have purchased the 996.2 GT3......... that car is such a bargain...........