Any Rennlisters from New Zealand?
07-08-2016, 02:29 AM
[QUOTE=nzskater;13434770]Thanks. I quite like it as well!!
Great shots Jake. I thought the blue wheels were just from a reflection in your smaller avatar, but they're the real thing. No more walking out of the supermarket and wondering "Now which one of those 997Ts is mine" I bet. They give her some serious pop to go with her silver.
Great shots Jake. I thought the blue wheels were just from a reflection in your smaller avatar, but they're the real thing. No more walking out of the supermarket and wondering "Now which one of those 997Ts is mine" I bet. They give her some serious pop to go with her silver.
07-09-2016, 02:50 AM
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Looks great Jake. Very unique!
I got contacted by a dealer yesterday regards my 993. He had heard on the grapevine it might be for sale? It's driven 12km since a new set of MPSS tyres and a WOF 5 months ago. Curious to what the massive (or minute - given the recent traffic here) think it might be worth. Comes with a shed load of take off parts, literally a van full. It's a pretty unique car but might be a bit raw in current tune for some. I wasn't in a mind to sell but if a moment of weakness happened....interested in POV of those who know the car or have driven with it on track or fast road. Currently we have plans to enter it in a historic race in Italy in 2018, but the logistics of that are giving me second thoughts. I'd never sell it without a first right of refusal to buy it back naturally and I miss it when it's gone but with the GT3 and a Focus RS inbound I can't see it getting much use over the next few years and it costs money to store...
I got contacted by a dealer yesterday regards my 993. He had heard on the grapevine it might be for sale? It's driven 12km since a new set of MPSS tyres and a WOF 5 months ago. Curious to what the massive (or minute - given the recent traffic here) think it might be worth. Comes with a shed load of take off parts, literally a van full. It's a pretty unique car but might be a bit raw in current tune for some. I wasn't in a mind to sell but if a moment of weakness happened....interested in POV of those who know the car or have driven with it on track or fast road. Currently we have plans to enter it in a historic race in Italy in 2018, but the logistics of that are giving me second thoughts. I'd never sell it without a first right of refusal to buy it back naturally and I miss it when it's gone but with the GT3 and a Focus RS inbound I can't see it getting much use over the next few years and it costs money to store...
07-09-2016, 03:34 AM
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Welcome back Macca, assuming you were ever away.
I can't say this surprises me. I don't think you ever would have been happy going backwards in performance given your current passion.
As driven in, I think the 993 is the ultimate expression of an air cooled road warrior. Sold as such you might find one or two people in NZ who value it highly in that guise, but I suspect that the market in general has trended to originality and it needs to be softened up.
As for price, who knows? Pauls car sold for circa $100k. You could well do $20k+ better that that but it would likely be to a buyer you already know and they would have to value those touches you have made. Another option is to sell the car and parts packs separately.
In terms of moving on from a long held car I can say that I have rarely looked back on selling the Turbo 3.6. The £ price received was close to NZD 20k more than I would get now and freeing up cash for the Cayman R, Cayenne, Herman upgrade and now C4 project is a lot more satisfying.
Btw, I'm in Vila from 31 July for two weeks. Unfortunately for work and on my own, but it's better than the next stop, Port Moresby.
I can't say this surprises me. I don't think you ever would have been happy going backwards in performance given your current passion.
As driven in, I think the 993 is the ultimate expression of an air cooled road warrior. Sold as such you might find one or two people in NZ who value it highly in that guise, but I suspect that the market in general has trended to originality and it needs to be softened up.
As for price, who knows? Pauls car sold for circa $100k. You could well do $20k+ better that that but it would likely be to a buyer you already know and they would have to value those touches you have made. Another option is to sell the car and parts packs separately.
In terms of moving on from a long held car I can say that I have rarely looked back on selling the Turbo 3.6. The £ price received was close to NZD 20k more than I would get now and freeing up cash for the Cayman R, Cayenne, Herman upgrade and now C4 project is a lot more satisfying.
Btw, I'm in Vila from 31 July for two weeks. Unfortunately for work and on my own, but it's better than the next stop, Port Moresby.
07-09-2016, 08:59 AM
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07-09-2016, 05:55 PM
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Bank Sharing it's love with you again John? Seeing it at its worst then lol. Lots of grumpy expats from lack of sleep (loud village music), and staff too tired to function. Still compared to New Guinea will be a walk in the park...
07-09-2016, 06:26 PM
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How many K's on the 993 Macca? Pricing it is difficult - to the enthusiast the AM parts add value, but to the collector they possibly detract. Assuming you have all the OEM take offs it's surely worth upwards of $150k. The current state of the £ might come into play, as they're the likely customer of a RHD, but I can't imagine it's had that much of an impact. If you can live without the $$ I'd keep it if I was you. There are people around that would likely store it for you. Hell if I had a showroom I'd get OCD to make it shine and put it out front! It would look great in the Giltrap window...
Did that 993 at CCS move? I remember seeing comments about it going North a while ago, but it's still sitting on Trademe.
Did that 993 at CCS move? I remember seeing comments about it going North a while ago, but it's still sitting on Trademe.
07-09-2016, 06:39 PM
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PNG has me slated for both Moresby and Lae which involves a long trip from the airport in an armoured van. Ridiculous. The only saving grace is that Europe is only a week after that lot is over. 2017 is looking a lot more sane, Singapore and Dingo land.
07-09-2016, 07:52 PM
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Thanks Jake. I'm not sure if the 993 C4S for $225k at CCS has sold yet but it was a potential buyer for that car I suspect that prompted the dealer enquiry on my car. My car has 93k km, NZ new etc. It isn't a collector car in its current format as its running a lot of RS and Tequipment gear on it which was not in the original build sheet. Insurance valuation by RS Consulting last few years is 150-160k. Probably generous but well under what's in it. I don't need to sell the car and to be honest I most likely won't, I think I'm just getting a bit bored not having a project on the 993. The stuff I'd like to do on it is quite exotic and expensive (Rothsport engine etc), I can't justify that kind of spend on the car TBH. Some new 18" road wheels would be nice but nothing jumps out yet. If I can make it through till I relocate it will be safe as I'm sure I will enjoy tinkering with it again, but while I fly in only to drive then leave it often doesn't get used lately or even looked at (remote storage). All that said it did do the Targa last May, and three track days (HD, Taupo, Festival of speed) in Jan so it's not entirely in exercised in the last 12 months (in fact it's travelled over 5000)....
John. I'm looking forward to your Europe trip almost as much as you. The pictures and stories at least. It's an opportunity to bring something interesting home perhaps as well? I think Steve R is considering. The GBP is offering an opportunity hard to pass and I'm hearing from friends there that a lot of folk holding multiple "investment cars" getting very nervous indeed with what the future holds for their Real estate and business investments and have asked the specialists to start moving them on quickly to get the proceeds into a hedge currency or pay down debt. I know of a good 996 GT3 just sold 52k gBP for a quick sake and a 7.2 Gt3 never used in track that went 83k gbp. The bubble will burst finally on the 991 GT3, RS and GT4 prices too I am sure. That was volume related RHD I think. Australia has 140x GT4 confirmed arrivals but new allocations just re,eased out that at closer to 200 delivered by year end, vs UK who got 400 for a market 3x the size (hence the speculative prices etc). Smart money would be on a late model 911 or Cayman to enjoy like a 991 GTS - that would be my choice (I see the Carmine Red TM GTS just had some panel damage inflicted down in Westport). A Cayman GTS is also a really good car for NZ, with R comps well driven I think from what we saw of Stuart's it would make an excellent all rounder and keep much machinery honest.
John. I'm looking forward to your Europe trip almost as much as you. The pictures and stories at least. It's an opportunity to bring something interesting home perhaps as well? I think Steve R is considering. The GBP is offering an opportunity hard to pass and I'm hearing from friends there that a lot of folk holding multiple "investment cars" getting very nervous indeed with what the future holds for their Real estate and business investments and have asked the specialists to start moving them on quickly to get the proceeds into a hedge currency or pay down debt. I know of a good 996 GT3 just sold 52k gBP for a quick sake and a 7.2 Gt3 never used in track that went 83k gbp. The bubble will burst finally on the 991 GT3, RS and GT4 prices too I am sure. That was volume related RHD I think. Australia has 140x GT4 confirmed arrivals but new allocations just re,eased out that at closer to 200 delivered by year end, vs UK who got 400 for a market 3x the size (hence the speculative prices etc). Smart money would be on a late model 911 or Cayman to enjoy like a 991 GTS - that would be my choice (I see the Carmine Red TM GTS just had some panel damage inflicted down in Westport). A Cayman GTS is also a really good car for NZ, with R comps well driven I think from what we saw of Stuart's it would make an excellent all rounder and keep much machinery honest.
07-09-2016, 08:36 PM
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I'm surprised you haven't snapped up the '94 non varioram motor on FB, if a project motor was ever a possibility. $14k with ECU and harness seems cheap.
Yes, I think Steve R is looking at a Vat qualifying 991S or similar. I had a short look at similar age Caymans but ultimately my hearts not in it. I suspect the Cayenne will be the last water pumper Porsche I will ever own. I will be happy if life holds he prospect of another 964 or two or three in my garage but it will be on rotation and I will only buy cars that need work and expand my skill base. I really want one with a tired engine next.
Work willing I will have enough time to complete the project car pre Christmas and then start looking for the next one when I'm sure I won't take a haircut on the project car. It's bugging me that the interior will be close to perfect on the car I will sell but not on Herman, however at least I know what's involved if I ever do Herman.
With respect to car prices, on Maslow's hierarchy of needs a garage of classic cars is at the apex. I suspect the lack of confidence in the wider economy will take the shine (pun intended) off many of those values. It's a pity I can't see anything I'm aching to own. Not that I have the space anyway.
Yes, I think Steve R is looking at a Vat qualifying 991S or similar. I had a short look at similar age Caymans but ultimately my hearts not in it. I suspect the Cayenne will be the last water pumper Porsche I will ever own. I will be happy if life holds he prospect of another 964 or two or three in my garage but it will be on rotation and I will only buy cars that need work and expand my skill base. I really want one with a tired engine next.
Work willing I will have enough time to complete the project car pre Christmas and then start looking for the next one when I'm sure I won't take a haircut on the project car. It's bugging me that the interior will be close to perfect on the car I will sell but not on Herman, however at least I know what's involved if I ever do Herman.
With respect to car prices, on Maslow's hierarchy of needs a garage of classic cars is at the apex. I suspect the lack of confidence in the wider economy will take the shine (pun intended) off many of those values. It's a pity I can't see anything I'm aching to own. Not that I have the space anyway.
07-09-2016, 08:58 PM
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I'm surprised you haven't snapped up the '94 non varioram motor on FB, if a project motor was ever a possibility. $14k with ECU and harness seems cheap. Yes, I think Steve R is looking at a Vat qualifying 991S or similar. I had a short look at similar age Caymans but ultimately my hearts not in it. I suspect the Cayenne will be the last water pumper Porsche I will ever own. I will be happy if life holds he prospect of another 964 or two or three in my garage but it will be on rotation and I will only buy cars that need work and expand my skill base. I really want one with a tired engine next. Work willing I will have enough time to complete the project car pre Christmas and then start looking for the next one when I'm sure I won't take a haircut on the project car. It's bugging me that the interior will be close to perfect on the car I will sell but not on Herman, however at least I know what's involved if I ever do Herman. With respect to car prices, on Maslow's hierarchy of needs a garage of classic cars is at the apex. I suspect the lack of confidence in the wider economy will take the shine (pun intended) off many of those values. It's a pity I can't see anything I'm aching to own. Not that I have the space anyway.
Yes there are companies who will buy any car from a UK VAT registered dealer then export to you without the VAT but minus their fee. The car just needs to be on the yard of a VAT registered dealership on their books as I understand it. It means you buy basically any car from ant dealer using an intermediary. Chris B can direct you.
Nevertheless another water pumper? Strong words lol! It's good you have found your Pcar niche fixing old 964s up. There are plenty that need you help so you will be a busy man for a long while. Purely my opinion don't putting the RS tail on the silver car - keep that car just as the factory Roy attended - classic shape- you've done such a good on the inside would be shame to hint at hot rod when true value of that car is originality plus rare colour etc. just my 2c
07-09-2016, 09:44 PM
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Yes I did enquire about Hayden's engine. As the base for an exotic rebuild its fine but with 45k USD to do the work using what I have would save me the 14k and every penny would help! But it's not likely to happen any time soon. As a stand alone engine I think the value is good but it may need a 15-20k top end rebuild in its near future which will make it a 35k unit. If you have an engine that needs work it may be cheaper to keep what you have and have the work five. If you are building a hot rod from a shell then it's a great opportunity for someone... Yes there are companies who will buy any car from a UK VAT registered dealer then export to you without the VAT but minus their fee. The car just needs to be on the yard of a VAT registered dealership on their books as I understand it. It means you buy basically any car from ant dealer using an intermediary. Chris B can direct you. Nevertheless another water pumper? Strong words lol! It's good you have found your Pcar niche fixing old 964s up. There are plenty that need you help so you will be a busy man for a long while. Purely my opinion don't putting the RS tail on the silver car - keep that car just as the factory Roy attended - classic shape- you've done such a good on the inside would be shame to hint at hot rod when true value of that car is originality plus rare colour etc. just my 2c
Yes, 964s are my very narrow niche. The RS tail is a garage wall ornament for a while. It likely won't go on the C4. I don't want to overcapitalise the car and I suspect a non original tail would comprise its market acceptance and value. Right now I'm hovering around $62k all up in costs. That is close to maxing out what someone will pay for a 26 year old car with 238k on the clock, albeit you never know as how many have 95% new interiors and that's where the cost is in this build. The engine doesn't smoke and gearbox doesn't graunch. I may recharge the air con as well, but whether I could recoup $2,000 on the sale price if it needs new parts is an unknown.
Some Kiwis are cheap bar$tards so it's not a part of the process I enjoy. I'm much like Paul in that, but I can't let my cars into the clutches of Max etc. I'd rather sit down with an enthusiast, discuss its strong and weak points then arrive at an amicable trade price. I suspect I will need to do some marketing to make sure I don't leave myself open to a flipper getting in on the mix.