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I’ve owned my eHybrid sport turismo since July 2019 and have driven 55K kms so far. It’s been an almost entirely trouble free experience and I love getting behind the wheel every single time. I’ll be keeping it for a long time.
I agree with all of cometguy's points on night vision. The display is too small and in an awkward location to be useful as an active driving aid.
That said...it's saved my bacon twice in a month during summer, aka stupid deer season. The system works, and I'm very grateful for it. However, I don't think it's intended for active navigation. That is, you're not supposed to be driving while looking at the nightvision/IR display. You're supposed to be looking at the road and driving normally until it alarms and throws up the "collision warning" message. Only then do you actually look at the screen for visual confirmation (in other words, where's the damn deer?) and this is after you've come to a complete stop. So in that sense, it does work and that's probably how Porsche wants it -- you looking at the road and not a screen.
In the US we miss out on the PDLS integration. It's supposed to aim and flash the LEDs on the object to draw your attention there. Sadly, PDLS+ will never come to be in the US and is a worthless "option".
I agree with all of cometguy's points on night vision. The display is too small and in an awkward location to be useful as an active driving aid.
That said...it's saved my bacon twice in a month during summer, aka stupid deer season. The system works, and I'm very grateful for it. However, I don't think it's intended for active navigation. That is, you're not supposed to be driving while looking at the nightvision/IR display. You're supposed to be looking at the road and driving normally until it alarms and throws up the "collision warning" message. Only then do you actually look at the screen for visual confirmation (in other words, where's the damn deer?) and this is after you've come to a complete stop. So in that sense, it does work and that's probably how Porsche wants it -- you looking at the road and not a screen.
I agree that one should not be staring at the night-vision screen. But I can just glance at it quickly, back and forth to the road, when I'm in an area with high pedestrian (or deer) populations that I know are extra "risky"; it's not really a big deal. And in the Taycan, I see that the night-vision screen is in the center of the instrument panel (center of three configurable computer-screen "tubes"), with no analog tachometer, so it's much easier to glance up and down at the infrared screen there; given my experience with my Pan4 E-Hybrid, I'm going to definitely order the night-vision screen on my forthcoming Taycan Cross Turismo 4.
Fingers crossed I'm going to pick up my new to me 4 E Hybrid next week! (depending on when the buyer for my current car can collect)
I wasn't planning to get one so soon, but I love the spec of this one, the GT silver with the sport design package. It seems to have the Matrix lights which I've never had before, and the saddle brown/luxor beige interior, it seems to look different in various photos I look at. It does have wood interior inserts which I'm not sure about, but it does look a lovely place to be. The car has 65000 miles, but it looks in great condition.
I came across an odd "featurette" which if others encounter it, may puzzle them like it did me. Yesterday, I went to fill up my Panamera e-Hybrid, after going up to visit my son and his family in the peak district of the UK, a 400+ mile round trip in exceeding heavy traffic in both directions, which to my pleasure, had only consumed about 2/3rds of a tank of fuel. I selected a 98 (Euro rating) octane pump, where I had seen the driver of the Range Rover at the pump, returning to his vehicle after paying, assuming he would be moving off right away. Unfortunately the inconsiderate oaf decided he was going to make a phone call, before moving off. When he finally clocked that someone else might be waiting for fuel, he moved off while making appropriate hand gestures - obviously polite and well mannered as well as being inconsiderate. In the meantime, while waiting to move forward to the pumps, I had released the filler cover with the button in the door armrest and then moved forward, when the pump was vacated. I then discovered that the fuel tank vent seemed to have become blocked and the fuel kept blowing back with a lot of gurgling. After a lot of the nozzle auto-switching off, I gave up after about a third of a tank. I was going to book the Panamera in to my local dealer, Porsche Mid Sussex to have this investigated, when it occurred to me to wonder if it was because I moved, after opening the fuelling cover, that the tank vent had been closed, maybe as a safety feature. I therefore went to my local Shell station this morning and parked by a 98 Octane pump, before releasing the fuelling cover. The filling worked perfectly this time without all the gurgling and blowing back, so it obviously was moving after opening the cover, that caused the problem.
I have read this forum for years but I have only just registered and this is my first post, so sorry if this is the wrong thread administrators, it just seemed appropriate............
I have a 2014 Panamera 4s e-hybrid (USA), just gone through 100k miles. The hybrid battery sucks now and I want to attempt to replace the cells. I can't get the battery cell chemistry or specs or the battery pack specs, so if anyone can help me track down the information I'll post the step by step process to crack open the battery pack and replace the cells.
Costs; At 9.4kw I assume it will have 240 or so cells and even with top end certified cells in small quantities they can't be more than $10 per cell (hoping it's older chemistry @ $7 per cell) and a decent handheld dual pulse spot welder should be around $500 (if I can't rent one), for the tabs ($50 for top of the line), if the bus bars are corroded badly they'll need replacing too (may be $250 tops). I think the maximum cost will be $3200, but it's likely to be $2000 (exceeding Porsche quality) and could be as low as $1400 (if I can get a bulk deal on the cells and the bus bars are good).
I will assume the car will know somethings up when the battery is refurbished and Porsche licensing will want there $1000 slice of pie (but maybe not, who knows). However this may be avoidable; I'm planning on having to keep some of the battery circuits "alive" when the battery pack is removed from the car to help avoid this (thinking it will be 12v with easy to replicate resistance), Any ideas on this would be appreciated. The battery pack may also have circuitry the needs to be kept "alive", can't think why but your insights are welcome.
Normally I would think this is a crap idea but I really like this car and want to keep my emissions down (trying to be green), I just don't think it's worth paying the dealer 12k plus (USD) for a new battery (which is $2k for the same power battery, brand new, for a Prius).
I have read this forum for years but I have only just registered and this is my first post, so sorry if this is the wrong thread administrators, it just seemed appropriate............
I have a 2014 Panamera 4s e-hybrid (USA), just gone through 100k miles. The hybrid battery sucks now and I want to attempt to replace the cells. I can't get the battery cell chemistry or specs or the battery pack specs, so if anyone can help me track down the information I'll post the step by step process to crack open the battery pack and replace the cells.
Costs; At 9.4kw I assume it will have 240 or so cells and even with top end certified cells in small quantities they can't be more than $10 per cell (hoping it's older chemistry @ $7 per cell) and a decent handheld dual pulse spot welder should be around $500 (if I can't rent one), for the tabs ($50 for top of the line), if the bus bars are corroded badly they'll need replacing too (may be $250 tops). I think the maximum cost will be $3200, but it's likely to be $2000 (exceeding Porsche quality) and could be as low as $1400 (if I can get a bulk deal on the cells and the bus bars are good).
I will assume the car will know somethings up when the battery is refurbished and Porsche licensing will want there $1000 slice of pie (but maybe not, who knows). However this may be avoidable; I'm planning on having to keep some of the battery circuits "alive" when the battery pack is removed from the car to help avoid this (thinking it will be 12v with easy to replicate resistance), Any ideas on this would be appreciated. The battery pack may also have circuitry the needs to be kept "alive", can't think why but your insights are welcome.
Normally I would think this is a crap idea but I really like this car and want to keep my emissions down (trying to be green), I just don't think it's worth paying the dealer 12k plus (USD) for a new battery (which is $2k for the same power battery, brand new, for a Prius).
Can confirm as per Premier Porsche Service as of 11/16/21 the price for 2015 Panny ehybrid battery replacement is $33,310 including parts, labor and tax...just a bit less than trade-in value.
Also, can confirm as per Porsche Experience Center-Atlanta, the vehicle will not start/operate at all without a properly functioning ehybrid battery.
Good luck in your endeavor.
Last edited by edantes; 11-22-2021 at 05:41 PM.
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If you can’t get it covered under warranty, it’s not worth it. By the way, it sounds like you have a 2014 Panamera “S” E-Hybrid. The 4S E-Hybrid debuted as a new trim for the 2021 model year.
The battery price for the earlier e-Hybrid seems incorrect. The replacement price in the UK for the later model 971 14 kWH battery in 2017 when I bought my 971 was only £8000. I would have expected the smaller battery to be cheaper. There are various specialist companies in the USA who repair lithium traction batteries for the likes of Tesla. My view is that it would be better to get one of those companies to do the work, rather than an inexperienced owner. Not least that the owner would have some come-back if it all went wrong soon after the repair. I don't know if it applied to the earlier lithium batteries but for the later 14 and 17 kWH batteries, Porsche UK offers a module replacement service, which I understand is considerably cheaper than replacing an entire battery.
Hi all. Just been making my way through the rather large instruction manual of the Panamera that arrived this morning
I was looking at the ' Timer' Function of the charger, as we have low electricity rates between 12.30-4.30, it will take longer to charge, but some will be off peak. I've set a timer for 7.30 departure time, and set to every day, but when plugging it in now, it starts charging immediately, and the timer light doesn't come on, Is there a step im missing?
11-02-2021, 08:28 PM
