Panamera 4 E-hybrid Owners Thread
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Originally I was looking for a CPO Panamera Turbo or GTS and I was lucky to "see" my car in the configuration I liked without having to order and wait for a 2019 model. Plus, the ST was quite rare at the time, (it still is IMO) and I jumped on it and made the offer within the week. Some options that I really like: Park Assist w/ Surround View; Power Steering Plus (this is a big car and is very easy to park with these options), 7.2KW Onboard Charger (I didn't think I would need this, but combined with the 240v plug in my garage, a full charge takes a few hours vs. overnight); Sport Turismo (I definitely wanted this option and don't regret it at all); Premium Plus Package - soft close doors (family is used to not slamming the doors now), front and rear heated seats (for the kids in the back), LED dynamic lights (functional and cool factor!);and 21" Exclusive Design Wheels in Satin.
I thought that I would want the Sport Exhaust and do not miss it after driving other cars with it installed; I believe that there are no performance here. Options that I have and could do without are really cosmetic, Sport Tailpipes in Black; Carbon Fiber Interior package; Porsche Crest on headrests, Tinted LED taillights, Ambient Lighting, Exterior Mirrors painted, All Season Tires (really, an extra charge for this?) and the ever so controversial Smoking Package.
Hope this helps!
I thought that I would want the Sport Exhaust and do not miss it after driving other cars with it installed; I believe that there are no performance here. Options that I have and could do without are really cosmetic, Sport Tailpipes in Black; Carbon Fiber Interior package; Porsche Crest on headrests, Tinted LED taillights, Ambient Lighting, Exterior Mirrors painted, All Season Tires (really, an extra charge for this?) and the ever so controversial Smoking Package.
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I've decided to upgrade to one more hybrid on my way to pure electric and have mentally landed from a '17 530e to a base Panamera 4 e-hybrid '17-'19. I'm now locally shopping one and the trim levels do vary quite widely. This would be a question to the current owners: What were some of the things that you either thought that you absolutely need, but ended up not really using/appreciating and what are then in reverse some that you thought that nah, I'll live without it, but ended up regretting leaving out from the build sheet of from the used sample?
I'm starting to visit several different samples locally and having a test on whether or not my preconceived notions on what I think I'd need or want are in any way accurate. But as I'm doing this, it would be wonderful to read about others perspectives on this if any have theirs to share.
I'm starting to visit several different samples locally and having a test on whether or not my preconceived notions on what I think I'd need or want are in any way accurate. But as I'm doing this, it would be wonderful to read about others perspectives on this if any have theirs to share.
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Porsche does not offer the heated windshield option in either Panamera or Taycan (yet), which is very odd, as it's been available on the Macan and Cayenne since MY2019 now, and it works great on my 2019 Macan (melts ice/snow and defogs front windshield without use of air, and works much faster than standard blow-defrosters); I'll always order this item whenever it's available (if it's not standard) on any car that I buy.
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The one option the original (less than brain of Britain) specifier of the Panamera, which I bought new, after he could not compete the purchase, is the rear wiper. He specified expensive items like rear screens (sold by me back to the dealer) and the unnecessary sport exhaust instead of the very useful rear wiper. I have driven a Panamera e-Hybrid with rear steering and I think this would be another good option. It eliminates the slightly tail heavy feel of my Panamera. Originally I was disappointed that my car did not have the adaptive cruise control but just the standard. However, after reading some very negative comments on this, I am more comfortable on this missing option. The PLSS headlights are the best on any vehicle I have ever driven. I find the leather a bit on the hard side, compared with the Italian leather I had in my 997 but the 14 way seats are very well shaped. A whole different world to the Bugatti Chiron seats, which are horrible. I was in a Chiron for a 3 day trip just over a year ago and it took my back close to a month to recover.
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I've decided to upgrade to one more hybrid on my way to pure electric and have mentally landed from a '17 530e to a base Panamera 4 e-hybrid '17-'19. I'm now locally shopping one and the trim levels do vary quite widely. This would be a question to the current owners: What were some of the things that you either thought that you absolutely need, but ended up not really using/appreciating and what are then in reverse some that you thought that nah, I'll live without it, but ended up regretting leaving out from the build sheet of from the used sample?
I'm starting to visit several different samples locally and having a test on whether or not my preconceived notions on what I think I'd need or want are in any way accurate. But as I'm doing this, it would be wonderful to read about others perspectives on this if any have theirs to share.
I'm starting to visit several different samples locally and having a test on whether or not my preconceived notions on what I think I'd need or want are in any way accurate. But as I'm doing this, it would be wonderful to read about others perspectives on this if any have theirs to share.
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Driving conditions were:
- Relatively low speeds with posted limits from 50 km/h to 80 km/h; average speed was 45 km/h given all the stops for crosswalks and traffic lights
- Temperature was about 5 degC
- Unlike last time, ski rack and roof rack bars were not on the car
- Drive was relatively flat, driving the Seestrasse around Lake Zurich
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30% charge remaining after 34.5 km
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Nice lake side shot, from east side of lake looking back to the southwest.
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Right after the ICE kicked in, 46.5 km of e-power
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I've got a tire width question I was hoping one of you lads or ladies could answer: My current setup on my 4S Sport Turismo is stock 21 inch all seasons 275 front and 315 rear. I bought some BC Forged 20 inch KL01's which will be here in about a month. Do you think I would be fine if I went with 285 front and 325 rear? My car has the sport package which includes rear wheel steering for reference.
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I have a Pana ST as well and I definitely think the rears will be fine even with the RWS. I also think the fronts shouldn't be an issue either as I feel that the extra 10MM in the width you're adding can be accommodated (as the clearance for stock should probably accommodate at least a 10MM increase when turning). I could be wrong, but that's my opinion. Can't wait to see the pics with the new wheels.
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I've got a tire width question I was hoping one of you lads or ladies could answer: My current setup on my 4S Sport Turismo is stock 21 inch all seasons 275 front and 315 rear. I bought some BC Forged 20 inch KL01's which will be here in about a month. Do you think I would be fine if I went with 285 front and 325 rear? My car has the sport package which includes rear wheel steering for reference.
This resource may help: https://www.wheel-size.com/size/porsche/panamera/
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How does everyone maximized their mileage? Do you leave it in Hybrid or Electric or some combination of them. I run electric when Doing short trips from home and can recharge the battery when I’m home. For longer trips I run electric till the batter runs out, then switch to hybrid charge till the batter gets back up to full charge, then switch back to electric. I was wounded if it would be better to just put into hybrid for the longer trips and not start in electric.
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I leave it sport plus to maximize fun. Plus it recharges faster that way
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I do short journeys on pure electric but if the journey, there and back is going to be longer than about 15 miles, I will immediately switch to Hybrid Auto. When I am on the type of highway, where I can use cruise control, I will usually take the opportunity to change to Hybrid e-Charge, so that when I come into a built up area, I have a fully charged battery to switch to pure electric, to try and reduce urban pollution. There are a number of European cities, where only BEV's or hybrids running on battery will soon be permitted entry to the city centre. I think Lyon, France and Stuttgart, Germany will be the first. This is likely to expand in locations over the next few years.
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MKC91 (05-25-2021)
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For longer trips, to put it simply, I try to leave with a full battery and arrive with an empty battery. This assumes that the arrival place has a way to recharge. Like Wilson, I also try to anticipate certain situations like city traffic or mountains. (It's good to reach the top of the mountain with an empty battery to maximize regeneration on the way down.) But in general I think the leave-full/arrive-empty rule is a good one, because it focuses on the net effect rather than whatever fluctuations happen in the middle.
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