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Haha! Total BS. I have a C63 507 Edition AMG. It costs no more to insure than the regular C63, which was under 500hp.
Chevy did it so they can have room to add more hp for the Z06 and other trim levels.
This thread is getting quite lame - people just spewing whatever they want to believe with no facts or proof.
Haha...try google, there is actually something to it, especially when age and location are factored in....there is one insurance complany that doesn't even take cars with over 500 hp anymore .
Just cuz your insurance company is good with it, doesn't mean they all are.
this was straight form the Chevy reps mouth, so it's not like a K-A story linking GM and KKK lmao
Do your really think GM is going to worry about a 525 HP base model when they're going to make 700+hp Z06???
Haha...try google, there is actually something to it, especially when age and location are factored in....there is one insurance complany that doesn't even take cars with over 500 hp anymore .
Just cuz your insurance company is good with it, doesn't mean they all are.
this was straight form the Chevy reps mouth, so it's not like a K-A story linking GM and KKK lmao
Do your really think GM is going to worry about a 525 HP base model when they're going to make 700+hp Z06???
Lol.... [Takes GM reps mouth over that of GM corporate actions]
You know what they say about a “Chevy rep”: “It ain’t happenin’ till we get caught!” Oh and “Who should we sign the settlement check to?”
On the other hand, the C7 and C8 designers knew what they were doing, stylistically. I just don't like either of those cars' rear ends. The C7's "gangster tears" taillight treatment was actively annoying, so the generic corporate design on the C8 rear is actually an improvement IMO.
I actually kind of like the C7 rear. It’s clean, bold and makes a statement, without trying too hard. None of which the C8’s rear can say, imo.
Originally Posted by timlot
At least that answers the age old “what has the Aztek designer been up to lately” question.
Originally Posted by ZDan
2019 - 1964 = 55
2019 - 1953 = 66
Pretending not to know about rounding numbers up. Good one. I should have googled the exact date the 911 started too, because whether the 911 has been the most talked about sports car for 55 or 60 years makes all the difference.
Also, you’re wrong (perhaps you used Bing). The 911 (originally 901) has been around since 1963. Therefore, 56 years.
Pretty impressive that it’s been around for less than the
Vette yet made a bigger impact and footprint (and margins), ya gotta admit.
Originally Posted by fast1
Park a 993 next to a 992 and tell me it's largely the same design. No doubt some similarity, but far from the same design. IMO the 993 is a beautiful car whereas the 992 looks like a slug. Amazing to me how anyone will pay $120K+ for that car.
In relativity, the 911 has remained as close to the original design language as any car can for 60 (err.. 56) years (aside from a G Wagon and maybe Wrangler). Also impressive how such a simple design gathers such devoted detailed attention and passion. In this one thread you have someone who tried to criticize the fact that the 991/992 look too similar to the 993, and someone who believes they look too different.
Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Non-enthusiasts too. The C8 pulls into a gas station a crowd will form, just like most other mid-engine exotics.
For perhaps a year, until the fact that they’re common as your typical common euro sedan (if GM’s claimed production numbers are met.... although STG’s marketing spiel about them being “sold out” has been debunked by GM dealers already). I wouldn’t buy a C8 if you’re expecting it to gain attention like an exotic, just saying. Initially, big time. But that’s to be expected. Give it 7 years and that design may not wear so well on the eyes (it certainly isn’t understated or intended to be timeless) if they’re as common as predicted.
What it might do is make mid engines as a whole less exotic by nature, as the general architecture will be so prevalent on the streets now. No doubt some Ferrari/Lambo guys might throw a fit.
Another good reason to drink rear engine.
STG, I’ll be expecting a cut of those GM marketing checks for keeping this thread alive. Quick, more talking points about how this car will outsell the 3 Series. We can get another 15 pages out of that.
In relativity, the 911 has remained as close to the original design language as any car can for 60 (err.. 56) years (aside from a G Wagon and maybe Wrangler). Also impressive how such a simple design gathers such devoted detailed attention and passion. In this one thread you have someone who tried to criticize the fact that the 991/992 look too similar to the 993, and someone who believes they look too different.
The phrase you initially used was "911’s are largely the same design, every time". As a former owner of a 993, I don't see the 992 as largely the same design. The dimensions of a 993: Length 167.7 in, Width 68.3 in , and curb weight 2800 lbs. The dimensions of a 992: Length 177.9 in, Width 72.9 in., and curb weight 3382 lbs. So the 992 has grown by 582 lbs and has "evolved" from a pure sports car to a sport GT car. IMO the 992 is significantly different from a 993, and vastly different from the first 911 which had a curb weight of 2381 lbs. I do agree that the 911s were largely the same design from the first 911 to the 993, but beginning with the 996 I saw significant differences. Anyway that's the perspective of someone who has owned 911s for over four decades; my first Porsche was a 1970 911E.
The phrase you initially used was "911’s are largely the same design, every time". As a former owner of a 993, I don't see the 992 as largely the same design. The dimensions of a 993: Length 167.7 in, Width 68.3 in , and curb weight 2800 lbs. The dimensions of a 992: Length 177.9 in, Width 72.9 in., and curb weight 3382 lbs. So the 992 has grown by 582 lbs and has "evolved" from a pure sports car to a sport GT car. IMO the 992 is significantly different from a 993, and vastly different from the first 911 which had a curb weight of 2381 lbs. I do agree that the 911s were largely the same design from the first 911 to the 993, but beginning with the 996 I saw significant differences. Anyway that's the perspective of someone who has owned 911s for over four decades; my first Porsche was a 1970 911E.
I agree with everything you said, though by the same standard the 993 is also "significantly different" from the first 911. I'll repeat what I keep saying: Porsche needs to re-focus on its lightweight ethos and stop making ever heavier, bulkier cars with more HP that are all but useless for back-roads. I'll take an automatic 5 series or E class luxo-barge for traffic and highways, thx.
After 1.5 weeks of the C8 "show cars" being paraded around dealer lots, the internet is filling up with pics of the same "build quality" reminiscent of the C7's.
STG, you got nothin'!!!
No creativity.
Just an aggregator of other peoples works.
After 1.5 weeks of the C8 "show cars" being paraded around dealer lots, the internet is filling up with pics of the same "build quality" reminiscent of the C7's.
STG, you got nothin'!!!
No creativity.
Just an aggregator of other peoples works.
I have probably been the C8s biggest flag waver here . . and it deserves it.
Corvette "quality" has improved in every generation. And I suspect the C8 is better still. The C7 certainly isn't bad by any measure.
I believe when guys are talking incessantly about "quality" here it is related more to luxury. Corvette should be a sports car first and then some luxo bits too if thats what you want . It isn't for everybody . . and it doesn't have to be or make excuses for that.
Did they, will they , have some issues? Yes they ALL do and I can say with complete confidence and from experience that Porsche and Ferrari and all the rest does too.
Nobody who is commenting on the quality has even seen these cars in person. They are pre-production C8's out. Let's wait until they start showing up at dealers before we nitpick a leather panels stitching that didn't line up, etc.
They are really grasping for anything to latch onto here as we've seen. It's quite entertaining.
We can fill pages of expensive Porsche quality issues from 991.1 GT3 engine replacements, 991.2 RS/GT2 carbon fiber failures, to Macan oil seals that guys are looking at $8K fixes out of warranty now. That's only recent.
I agree with everything you said, though by the same standard the 993 is also "significantly different" from the first 911. I'll repeat what I keep saying: Porsche needs to re-focus on its lightweight ethos and stop making ever heavier, bulkier cars with more HP that are all but useless for back-roads. I'll take an automatic 5 series or E class luxo-barge for traffic and highways, thx.
About 20 years ago, I took my 993 in for servicing and when I picked up my car the SA told me that he parked it next to a 1968 911. Back in 1968 911s still used metallic bumpers, but other than that the cars were very similar. My 993 was a little longer and wider, and bulkier, but the similarities between the cars were apparent. IMO the 993 was the last of the "spartan" pure sports cars that Porsche manufactured, and that's why my 25 year older 993 looked so similar to a 1968 911.
About 20 years ago, I took my 993 in for servicing and when I picked up my car the SA told me that he parked it next to a 1968 911. Back in 1968 911s still used metallic bumpers, but other than that the cars were very similar. My 993 was a little longer and wider, and bulkier, but the similarities between the cars were apparent. IMO the 993 was the last of the "spartan" pure sports cars that Porsche manufactured, and that's why my 25 year older 993 looked so similar to a 1968 911.
It is also 500lbs heavier which is somehow not a problem for the 993 while being a problem for 991/992 vs 993. Or you could simplify and just state that all aircooled's are similar while all water-cooled's are significantly different from them.
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