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We’re talking pre-WW2 GM vs post taxpayer bailout GM. Not exactly the same company. We have people here trying to say the ignition fiasco GM is laughably a “different company” than today’s GM, despite the fact that hoards of employees from then are employees from now. Now all of a sudden WW2 GM is today’s GM?
Here's what you said, with no qualifiers whatsoever:
Let's be glad those weren't GM built tanks.
Are we to accept that GM is sometimes the "same company" and sometimes "different companies" purely based on what is convenient for you? I don't think so...
As a matter of objective FACT, a lot of them (maybe most of them?) WERE GM-built tanks.
Oh yeah, Ferdinand Porsche was a **** war criminal...
Ferdinand Porsche and his son-in-law, Anton Piech, were taken prisoner by the French and accused of war crimes, though the real reason for their arrest seems to have been an attempt to force them to collaborate with the French auto industry, which in fact they did. In his autobiography, Ferry Porsche said that one million francs were paid by his family to French officials as a sort of ransom to secure the release of his father and brother-in-law after 17 months' imprisonment and to have all war crimes charges against them dropped. Nevertheless, there's no doubt that Porsche used slave labor at his factories during WWII.
I had not seen this particular video of the C8 mules testing at the ring, seems to be one of the latest ones based on the publication date and the reveal date on the side of the doors of the mules.
Very impressive for a 3500 - 3600 lb car, the darker mule seems to handle transitions better and also seems to be able to put the power better.
Edit: After listening a bit, the darker mule seems to have a whine when it starts to accelerate while following the lighter C8 mule around the 4:06 mark, the whine is not as prominent as the supercharger on the C7 ZR1 but there is something there. A possible Z06 mule been tested with a SC?
Edit 2: Also noticed something under the rear diffuser of the 4:06 mule, so the difference in sound could be exhaust related as well.
Based on what I have read at CorvetteForums Spring Mountain will be getting 40 cars from the production line for the dealer training program, would be curious to know if those will be the same ones that will be used for the Corvette driving school.
The current rumor is that they will be using variants of the Cadillac Blackwing V8 with a different turbo setup for their higher performance versions. I'd be surprised if they move away from the LTx/LSx engines but the Blackwing already exists and provides what they are looking for.
I would rather have a supercharger, but wouldn't a SC be more difficult to cool in this configuration?
Ferdinand Porsche and his son-in-law, Anton Piech, were taken prisoner by the French and accused of war crimes, though the real reason for their arrest seems to have been an attempt to force them to collaborate with the French auto industry, which in fact they did. In his autobiography, Ferry Porsche said that one million francs were paid by his family to French officials as a sort of ransom to secure the release of his father and brother-in-law after 17 months' imprisonment and to have all war crimes charges against them dropped. Nevertheless, there's no doubt that Porsche used slave labor at his factories during WWII.
I decided to go ahead and state that he was a "war criminal" even with extenuating circumstances which could be considered bribery.
IMO the use of slave labor amounts to war crimes but technically he was let off the hook.
Here's what you said, with no qualifiers whatsoever: Are we to accept that GM is sometimes the "same company" and sometimes "different companies" purely based on what is convenient for you? I don't think so...
As a matter of objective FACT, a lot of them (maybe most of them?) WERE GM-built tanks.
Ok, I’ll rephrase that: Let’s be happy they weren’t modern day GM. Else their ignition switches may have failed en route.
Originally Posted by Caustic
BahahahaHAHAHA.
[he laughs with race dog in tow]
Originally Posted by ZDan
I decided to go ahead and state that he was a "war criminal" even with extenuating circumstances which could be considered bribery.
IMO the use of slave labor amounts to war crimes but technically he was let off the hook.
Agreed. Slave Labor makes one a war criminal. I’ve read several pieces on Ferdinand, some say there were rumors that the Porsche’s did what they could to help slaves. Some say that they themselves were enslaved via being forced to make cars else be punished by the *****. Not sure if those hold any ground. Regardless, they were making cars for *****.
Now pondering if I should ask if you consider George Washington a war criminal (or Columbus for that matter), or that a vast expanse of our own countries construction being courtesy of slave labor would render all involved also war criminals. I know my answer....
Not the C8, the C7 ZR1, which is currently the fastest Vette. And yes, the GT2 RS costs more than a ZR1. And I think it's worth every penny in premium for reasons that even exceed its performance advantage.
Is your judgement based on the many track hours you have with a GT2 RS and ZR1 or just things you've read?
Is your judgement based on the many track hours you have with a GT2 RS and ZR1 or just things you've read?
Um. It’s not “my judgement.” It’s facts.
No C7 ZR1 has posted better official track times than the best official GT2 RS times. This isn’t opinion or saying “Porsche is better” even. You brought it up, and still keep attempting to move the goalposts around to deny the realty of that situation. Is the Vette kool aid that good?
08-02-2019, 10:15 AM
Time to call Dean and Sam for an excorcism since they love their Chevy.
