718 GT4?
04-20-2018, 12:38 PM
#1231
It would have to use an air to water intercooler like the 718 uses now, that's the only option. I don't know where they would put the turbos but that is something that is never going to be impossible but rather a matter of how much effort and money they assign to this issue.
Why would they do that when they already have a turbo engine they could use (the 4 pot) or the NA 6 which we were all expecting? I have no answer for that, but I could think of possible reasons. Like their understanding that if they want to raise the Spyder and GT4 over the numerous versions of the 718 they already have, it needs to be an H6. And maybe they really don't have an NA engine yet that they can use due to new emission regs. Again I don't want to read too much into Preuninger's words and intonation (he can say whatever, anyway) but I did not get the impression that the work related to getting the NA engine compliant with emission regs was going to be completed very soon. If they want to launch these cars this year still, they might simply not have anything else available than the 3.0TT that (kind of) ticks the necessary boxes.
With the 981s it was "easy" in that they could just put the 3.8L engine in there which automatically put them on another level to the regular cars. It's not quite as simple this time around. But either way whatever engine the Spyder/GT4 use will have no meaning for the next gen engine for the regular models. They will stay 4 cyl, go hybrid, or be discontinued altogether in the future.
Why would they do that when they already have a turbo engine they could use (the 4 pot) or the NA 6 which we were all expecting? I have no answer for that, but I could think of possible reasons. Like their understanding that if they want to raise the Spyder and GT4 over the numerous versions of the 718 they already have, it needs to be an H6. And maybe they really don't have an NA engine yet that they can use due to new emission regs. Again I don't want to read too much into Preuninger's words and intonation (he can say whatever, anyway) but I did not get the impression that the work related to getting the NA engine compliant with emission regs was going to be completed very soon. If they want to launch these cars this year still, they might simply not have anything else available than the 3.0TT that (kind of) ticks the necessary boxes.
With the 981s it was "easy" in that they could just put the 3.8L engine in there which automatically put them on another level to the regular cars. It's not quite as simple this time around. But either way whatever engine the Spyder/GT4 use will have no meaning for the next gen engine for the regular models. They will stay 4 cyl, go hybrid, or be discontinued altogether in the future.
04-20-2018, 07:00 PM
#1232
actually I like simplicity so I prefer NA but if they made a 6 cyl turbo GT4 it wouldn’t be the end of the world. Porsche would still sell lots of those cars because they would be fast in many ways.
04-20-2018, 08:35 PM
#1233
04-20-2018, 08:40 PM
#1234
Rennlist Member
100% agree. The dealer I'm at locally, I'm in the top half on the list of those 8 allocations (for the 981). It's also where I bought my M2 (their sister dealership). They are an MSRP dealer and I don't expect to be bumped for various reasons. Like I said, if push comes to shove, I'll look at an ADM even though I obviously don't want to do that. I suppose I should get on a couple more lists but dealers usually favor in state/local buyers so it seems like a waste of everyone's time and free loan money. Might make a few calls soon to some Midwest dealers.
04-20-2018, 08:51 PM
#1235
Yikes. Hopefully the GT4 doesn't go like that, though I do know that GT3s are much harder to get allocations for. The SA at the dealer didn't seem too troubled but obviously they will do anything to get my deposit so....
04-20-2018, 09:10 PM
#1236
I think this whole allocation dealiyo depends on the location the dealership is in. Of course I could be talking about my *** but for the next gen Spyder my guy who I bought the Spyder from pretty much told me in an email communication since I already have a Spyder I will automatically get first dibs. Maybe he was just placating my concerns!
04-21-2018, 01:34 AM
#1237
Burning Brakes
Man, I fully agree with you! I can't stand fake burbles. That's the worst sound of all, regardless of induction system.
04-21-2018, 01:54 AM
#1238
Three Wheelin'
04-21-2018, 05:24 AM
#1239
It would have to use an air to water intercooler like the 718 uses now, that's the only option. I don't know where they would put the turbos but that is something that is never going to be impossible but rather a matter of how much effort and money they assign to this issue.
Why would they do that when they already have a turbo engine they could use (the 4 pot) or the NA 6 which we were all expecting? I have no answer for that, but I could think of possible reasons. Like their understanding that if they want to raise the Spyder and GT4 over the numerous versions of the 718 they already have, it needs to be an H6. And maybe they really don't have an NA engine yet that they can use due to new emission regs. Again I don't want to read too much into Preuninger's words and intonation (he can say whatever, anyway) but I did not get the impression that the work related to getting the NA engine compliant with emission regs was going to be completed very soon. If they want to launch these cars this year still, they might simply not have anything else available than the 3.0TT that (kind of) ticks the necessary boxes.
With the 981s it was "easy" in that they could just put the 3.8L engine in there which automatically put them on another level to the regular cars. It's not quite as simple this time around. But either way whatever engine the Spyder/GT4 use will have no meaning for the next gen engine for the regular models. They will stay 4 cyl, go hybrid, or be discontinued altogether in the future.
Why would they do that when they already have a turbo engine they could use (the 4 pot) or the NA 6 which we were all expecting? I have no answer for that, but I could think of possible reasons. Like their understanding that if they want to raise the Spyder and GT4 over the numerous versions of the 718 they already have, it needs to be an H6. And maybe they really don't have an NA engine yet that they can use due to new emission regs. Again I don't want to read too much into Preuninger's words and intonation (he can say whatever, anyway) but I did not get the impression that the work related to getting the NA engine compliant with emission regs was going to be completed very soon. If they want to launch these cars this year still, they might simply not have anything else available than the 3.0TT that (kind of) ticks the necessary boxes.
With the 981s it was "easy" in that they could just put the 3.8L engine in there which automatically put them on another level to the regular cars. It's not quite as simple this time around. But either way whatever engine the Spyder/GT4 use will have no meaning for the next gen engine for the regular models. They will stay 4 cyl, go hybrid, or be discontinued altogether in the future.
04-21-2018, 09:13 AM
#1240
Rennlist Member
Near Raleigh, NC
I wasn’t willing to go over MSRP... and dealer claims they were MSRP only. My wife and I planned on taking Euro Delivery and all that, so it left a bad taste in my mouth considering I have purchased a lot of cars. Another GT3 sob story 
04-21-2018, 03:28 PM
#1241
Autocar UK stating that a Cayman R is coming out with a 414 HP 3.0 litre turbo engine from the Carrera.
This was in the M2 Competition article stating that a future M2 CSL will be expected to go up against the Cayman R.
This was in the M2 Competition article stating that a future M2 CSL will be expected to go up against the Cayman R.
04-21-2018, 04:36 PM
#1242
Rennlist Member
a cayman R with 414hp 3.0L turbo engine would be pretty quick. Probably quicker then a 450hp 4.0L NA GT4.
04-21-2018, 06:34 PM
#1243
If a Cayman R shows up would that mean the GT4 will still be on top of the pile and would that be confirmation then a turbo 6 is in order for the GT4? And also a Cayman R kind of does not make sense anymore because once the cars go turbocharged the hierarchy gets a bit muddled no? I mean a 3 liter turbo 6 can easily push 500 hp. So what would that entail for the GT4 then if that 3 Liter motor goes in the R? I don't think that makes sense but either way time will tell.
04-21-2018, 07:50 PM
#1244
Despite what Autocar says, I will stick with my prediction that there will be a new GT4 and it will be a turbo 4 but with either 2.7 or 3.0l capacity achieved by either bigger bores or even a new crank (which would work OK economically with a +5000 prod run). Both the engine sizes have Porsche history with of course the 3.0L 968 CS being a 4 cyl marker. It would run 420 to 450 bhp and have excellent torque. Easy to manufacture on existing 718 body assembly line and cheap to do it to keep price where it currently is (plus a small increase of course)
