JAhmed

LOLLL for real

GT4 981

loungin

Gilou Panizzi

I can understand those who firmly claim that i will be N/A engine on these. That is the meaning of debate, and speculations. European countries, as I'm a french man, see the thing in a totally different way and those who talk about CO2 emissions are totally right. Whatever enthusiasts could hope about a wonderful GT3 engine inside the bay, remember that Europe is leading what to do or not to. By the way, taxes are increasing and will increase again next year so as to punish those who overtake CO2 emission levels. Meanwhile, the limit of emission curently accepted is getting two steps lower...

A scoop if you don't know yet, measurement process of CO2 emissions will also change next year... No factory measurement but soon realtime measures, in real driving conditions. Even that crap sounding 718 flat 4 wouldn't offer such good results in real conditions... The game is not the same anymore dudes!

That being said, let's admit that on the couple of 718 Spyder videos posted on this topic, engine "could" be a N/A. Is someone able to tell me that this sound gives any good feeling? Maybe the 4.0 liters runs with closed valved on the Ring so we definitely can't hear the roar of the beast..? Anyway, all of you are GT4 owners, racing it sometimes (lucky you!), and I'm wondering if THIS sound we all can hear turn you on?

Obviously this is a question fo N/A prayers

Gilou Panizzi

My friend, no offense but you tell me about 2 different things :

I guess a 3.0 GT4 will satisfy many of you, and I'm glad to hear this. I'd rather it goes F6T instead of F4T, for sure! (Yes I'm a pro flat6, whether it gets a turbo or not, I assume).

Now you talk about 1g turns and global driving performances, that's different subject than the sound and only the sound we might have hear. It might help me to forget the exhaust tone for a few hours, but for me I see things as a global package, since I don't track the car.

If I had to choose between a 430hp 991.2 S and a BGB tuned GT4, you guess the answer...

FYI, I was lucky to take a ride in a 991.2 S, passenger, performances are really great, but nothing to make my heart go crazy.

VLJ

I guess if you're buying the car solely (or even mostly) because it accelerates quickly then that's true. I'm looking for the whole package, a car that performs above a certain level and also appeals to my emotions. Compliant ride and quiet engines don't appeal to my emotions.

Five12Free

GT4 981

And its getting a little late for a 2018 GT4.

ExMB

With your forum name I can understand that you prefer luxury and comfort while driving and therefore accept your personal choice of a 4 seater.

blackholescion

It's also been confirmed in interviews that Porsche is confident they can resolve the issues with particulate filter and meet emissions, just not in time to complete production for Europe (especially if they initially were planning producing into early 2019 and would trickle models to both markets). So, they pulled Europe production forward and pushed US back because US (and ROW to an extent) don't have the same emissions requirements.

jrbkarter

Ehhhhhhh...you seem to be leaving out, unfamiliar with, what have you, a critical detail- aka- the particulate filter situation. Though it's yet to be fully confirmed (which until a car is built with it and someone else puts it on a lift- nothing is really "confirmed" is it?) all signs point to post Sept '18 and CY '19 Euro RS builds including the new particulate filter. Logic would stand to reason any other application of the 4.0l would also include said filter, thus making it completely plausible the GT4 (and perhaps Spyder) could have the 4.0l.

As for the videos- I've yet to hear one at WOT or even at anything above 4kish RPMs so to try and bet your life on any of those videos conclusively telling you one way or the other would be a risky proposition. Several key RL members who for years have been nearly dead on with every tiny shred of information they're allowed to leak have said- NA. They've also said nearly every combo imaginable has been tested in the car, so there's no way to know which car you're even listening to in those videos. It very may well be a turbo power plant in it- but that doesn't mean it's the final production mule does it?

But to help out HelpMeHelpU (yeaaa see what I did there dontcha!) it's been pretty well noted, hinted at, borderline flat out announced that the Clubsport- which will be released before the street car- will be in the hands of teams for testing very very soon. And as others with their fingers on the pulse of PMNA have noted- it's going to be NA, and 99.9% chance it's going to be the 4.0l. Again, they tested tons of other options, it's come back to the 4.0l. As for actual power levels- who knows; I've heard everything from 420hp (which IMHO would be a mistake) to 450hp (muchhhh better) but short of a complete Grinch stole the whole goddamn Christmas- it's going to be NA. Yes- there's always the chance that Porsche deviates from the Clubsport and puts a different power plant in the street car, and yes, there's always a chance they deviate from the 981 and put a different motor in the Spyder than they do in the GT4.

But really- don't gripe at the people who do have information but can only share so much by belittling them with "THIS VIDEO SOUNDS LIKE THIS TO ME AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I JUST HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT BEING SOMETHING ELSE" because they're just going to stop telling us a damn thing- and I don't blame them. Unless the video also happens to show a Monroney sticker in the window, accept that it's just as incomplete a piece of evidence as the random snippets from members with cleaning ladies.

Five12Free

Five12Free

jrbkarter

Sigh...and even the "ending euro production in 2018" is itself, speculation. I'm scrolling through Porsche AG press releases (https://newsroom.porsche.com/en.html) and unless I missed it- I don't see one in there approximating "vehicles slated for delivery for the EDM with the 4.0l NA motor will cease production on XX/XX/2018" soooo somewhere you're taking someone else's (speculative) statement as gospel. However, any speculative statement from cleaning ladies regarding a 4.0l being installed in a vehicle PAST 12/31/18- which a GT4 would almost certainly be- is automatically discounted because it contradicts what you already consider (speculative) gospel.

Again, I suggest just accepting that there really are no facts available to us Peons, the best we get are the occasional nuggets that then get twisted, distorted, and lost in 10 million conspiracy theories. Anything and everything is possible at this point- hell, they might just not sell the 718 4.0l NA GT4 in Europe- there's a solution to the problem!

blackholescion