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PAG is a publicly traded company so I put more in their financial reporting than your EV bias on why the inventory was constrained. We saw all manufacturers limited by supply chain, an all electric car was hit hard.
You can google 1st qtr sales and Taycan was 2:1 on deliveries over 718s.
I have a 718, I like it. These are just numbers and PAG’s priorities….no need to get upset over the incoming EV tide.
Don't know if that helps to assess the moment or not... I heard a cleaning lady saying how bad it was to have been instructed to telling customers that from now on, orders of GTs had to be paired with a new Taycan ... (and that because of low volumes of Taycan sold).
I might add that states like California can barely provide power to the people (so to speak) right now. rolling black outs are common. Other states are increasingly doing the same thing. All data shows that our national power grid can only provide something like single digit % power for EVs -- meaning, EVs will be impractical for many years, if not forever.
That said, I have a 718 Cayman S. Would love to try the EV version and see how it does. My guess is it will be a killer performer.
Been in SoCal since 2006 and I've never experienced a blackout. I have the EV for the DD, and the manual gas powered car for fun. I live in LA where rush-hour traffic is 15 mph and that's where EVs make perfect sense and not a manual sports car. Out on tracks and on fun roads on long drives is where our fun gas powered cars make sense and not as much EVs. EVs still aren't great for track days as a good driver will cause the battery to overheat in a lap or two and there's a lack of charging infrastructure at most tracks. Where EVs make a lot of sense is auto-x; Model3s kick a ton of *** in auto-x because AWD instant torque. As for attaching an electric motor to a manual transmission, it's no different than attaching a ICE. They both have output shafts, just need a bell housing adapter. Most electric motors have so much torque that a transmission isn't required. For my personal usage, an EV for DD use, I'd only need 150 miles range. My typical commute is only 20 miles a day. Some days, if I do need to drive across LA, 150 miles range is plenty.
Been in SoCal since 2006 and I've never experienced a blackout. I have the EV for the DD, and the manual gas powered car for fun. I live in LA where rush-hour traffic is 15 mph and that's where EVs make perfect sense and not a manual sports car. Out on tracks and on fun roads on long drives is where our fun gas powered cars make sense and not as much EVs. EVs still aren't great for track days as a good driver will cause the battery to overheat in a lap or two and there's a lack of charging infrastructure at most tracks. Where EVs make a lot of sense is auto-x; Model3s kick a ton of *** in auto-x because AWD instant torque. As for attaching an electric motor to a manual transmission, it's no different than attaching a ICE. They both have output shafts, just need a bell housing adapter. Most electric motors have so much torque that a transmission isn't required. For my personal usage, an EV for DD use, I'd only need 150 miles range. My typical commute is only 20 miles a day. Some days, if I do need to drive across LA, 150 miles range is plenty.
LOL a 20 mile commute in most of the country is atypical. And 150 mile range would be a joke.
LOL a 20 mile commute in most of the country is atypical. And 150 mile range would be a joke.
We all make choices. Where I grew up, the whole town was only 10 miles across. Some stats on commutes in the US. Of course, Europe/Asia/SAmerica are all different. So you can see, 150 mile range for a daily is absolutely plenty for most people in the US. Even if you keep the state of charge between 20%-80%, the range is double what's required for the average US commute. https://www.zippia.com/advice/averag...ne%20to%20work.
The average one-way commute for Americans is 27.6 minutes.
New York City, NY, has the longest average commute time in the U.S. at 34.7 minutes.
Since 1980, the average American commute time has increased by 27% (From 21.7 minutes to 27.6 minutes).
The average American commutes 41 miles a day to and from work.
We all make choices. Where I grew up, the whole town was only 10 miles across. Some stats on commutes in the US. Of course, Europe/Asia/SAmerica are all different. So you can see, 150 mile range for a daily is absolutely plenty for most people in the US. Even if you keep the state of charge between 20%-80%, the range is double what's required for the average US commute. https://www.zippia.com/advice/averag...ne%20to%20work.
The average one-way commute for Americans is 27.6 minutes.
New York City, NY, has the longest average commute time in the U.S. at 34.7 minutes.
Since 1980, the average American commute time has increased by 27% (From 21.7 minutes to 27.6 minutes).
The average American commutes 41 miles a day to and from work.
Hahahah no just no. Anyone who lives near / works in Atlanta knows thats bull****.
the average miles driven a day in the US is 39 miles....most EV's have over 250 miles of range, if you have to commute over 200 miles a day, you need to find a new job, not an EV
The average American drives 39 miles a day. The U.S. Federal Highway Administration found that the average American drove 14,263 miles in 2019 which, divided by 365 days in a year, leaves us with 39 miles each day.
that was in 2019 before the pandemic...it has gone down since then to about 12,000 miles annually
Drivers in 2021 drove an average of 1,124 miles every month, or 37 miles daily. The 2020 average equates to 1,060 miles per month per driver, or about 35 miles per day
So while on vacation in Germany, after visiting the museum in Stuttgart and heading south towards Switzerland. My wife and I pull into a rest stop and I spot an odd looking boxster at the charging station.. So I walk over to get a closer look and realize it's covered haphazardly with black duct tape on the headlights, taillights and bumpers with what appeared to be sensor wires hanging off. It even had a fake centre exhaust port! They are obviously trying to distract attention!
I end up talking with the driver.. Indeed this was a test mule for the new 718 Boxster "Turbo", same drive units and 800v charging capacity as the taycan. Est. 3-400km real world range. He said they will do 160k of road testing, then tear it down to study the data.
Hopefully they make some advancements to those figures before the release..
So while on vacation in Germany, after visiting the museum in Stuttgart and heading south towards Switzerland. My wife and I pull into a rest stop and I spot an odd looking boxster at the charging station.. So I walk over to get a closer look and realize it's covered haphazardly with black duct tape on the headlights, taillights and bumpers with what appeared to be sensor wires hanging off. It even had a fake centre exhaust port! They are obviously trying to distract attention!
I end up talking with the driver.. Indeed this was a test mule for the new 718 Boxster "Turbo", same drive units and 800v charging capacity as the taycan. Est. 3-400km real world range. He said they will do 160k of road testing, then tear it down to study the data.
Hopefully they make some advancements to those figures before the release..
A goofy EV, made complete with “Butthole Charging”.
I find it odd that the front bumper looks nearly identical to the 992.2 mules as well. Did Porsche forget the 996 / Boxster fiasco?
I just don’t get the point of taking a lightweight, open air, sports car and then stripping away all of the fun by adding 1,000 lbs (or more?), removing the sound (adding dorky spaceship noises doesn’t count), removing the manual transmission, and then telling people “hey, we know you like to track this opening price point small sports car, guess what, you can’t because of the batteries we added.” Brilliant.
I end up talking with the driver.. Indeed this was a test mule for the new 718 Boxster "Turbo", same drive units and 800v charging capacity as the taycan. Est. 3-400km real world range. He said they will do 160k of road testing, then tear it down to study the data.
My suspicion all along has been that the EV Boxster will actually be a higher end trim and sit significantly above the GTS price point.
I just don’t get the point of taking a lightweight, open air, sports car and then stripping away all of the fun by adding 1,000 lbs
Um, I'm the market. I owned a Panamera S-eHybrid for about 18 months before I decided I really, really don't like driving a big sedan. I sold a 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo to buy that car, and I couldn't fight off the feeling I'd traded a sports car for a station wagon. I hated the sheer length of the Panamera, and how difficult that made it to park. I've never been at all serious about the Taycan because it's another big sedan.
For a daily driver, I want something sports-car sized, with a sports-car cockpit. I'd also prefer a convertible. An EV Boxster checks those boxes.
I'm not sweating the extra 1000lbs (or whatever, we don't know yet). Weight doesn't factor as much as people seem to think. A 2023 911 S is well over 1000lbs heavier than a 1970 911 S, and it will outperform the 1970's car in every category, including cornering.
Mass only almost entirely affects acceleration, and EVs are well known for overcoming that with sheer power. It does not affect cornering, despite popular myth. That's in the same category as "heavier objects fall faster." Horizontal grip is about friction between the tires and the road vs. momentum, and downward force from mass increases the friction just as fast as it increases the momentum.
I'm a lot more concerned about the volume the batteries take up. This is a lot less noticeable in a 4-door sedan like a Taycan or Model S than in a 2 door roadster.
05-17-2023, 02:23 PM
... (and that because of low volumes of Taycan sold).
2025 Porsche (ELECTRIFIED) 718 Boxter/Cayman
