Ddesimone17

booch

That's a great trade in value for the CD; I am trading in my '14 GTS with 35k miles ($105k MSRP), and I got a best offer of $53k. What dealer did you use, if you don't mind?

User 52121

Wow.

Seems they're lowballing pretty hard on the trade-ins.

Ddesimone17

Their stance is there is no market to compare them too so skidish on the trade in
also worthn noting Loeber porsche in Illinois said they would not take my car in trade period and only wanted to give 7k off a car w a sticker near 80k

skiahh

He did say there was 123K on the odo. Still... 27K does seem pretty low.

Yeah, they're "skittish" on the trade... but pretty damn proud on their pricing. And give you the same reasoning, too. No market to compare to, so they can't take a risk in a reasonable trade. But when selling... no market to compare to. No more coming here, so they're rare and worth their weight in gold.

The dealer I was talking to that said they'd been sitting on them and weren't budging on the price was Colorado Springs. They'd been eating the cost an blah blah. When I challenged him on the fact they got a pretty chunk of change in the dealer settlement, he basically accused me of wanting my share of it. Their price was $76.6K MSRP down to $72K and he said that's firm. Good for them if they can get it, I guess. Not so good for the sucker who pays that much for it. And that's for a '16 with about 3K miles and an unpunched warranty. Reasonably well equipped, but nothing so special that I'd be willing to pay WAY over market for the thing. Drive it away and it's a ~64ish vehicle, given mileage and warranty. Maybe 62.

Oh, and of course, the trade offer on the BS was highway robbery. I think they offered me on a base with no options, rather than an S with a decent set of options.

Sword_of_the_Spirit

If I were to buy a new one right now at the average 12-15% off and trade in my 14 with less than 50k, I’d be coming in ahead by $20k assuming $70k (new) $40k (trade in) plus $11k settlement. I’m comparing to what I owe on it which is about 40k

*runs around and searches for the nearest dealership*

Ddesimone17

Just as FYI Kelly blue book put my car at 26-30 k for trade and I felt they gave me good number on their car so I’m good w netbdeal plus tax savings of $ 2100 for trade in
many dealers are trying to keep the maximum amount of pcna concessions no different than them selling the new gt3 at market value

PJ Cayenne

Unless you hate it...I'd think twice before trading that V8 GTS.

User 52121

Loeber is generally high. And they're a very low-volume dealer.

If you're shopping in Illinois I'd recommend either Porsche Exchange in Highland Park (~15 miles north of Loeber - they pick up a LOT of pissed off people who feel they were getting hosed by Loeber), they also sell more Porsche than all the other Chicago-area dealers combined (and there are 5 or 6 in Chicago) or MotorWerks in Barrington (where I bought 3 vehicles including my CD).

The argument about "no market" is total BS. Every used CD I see on dealer websites locally (Chicago area... I usually peruse a few local dealers inventory every few days for fun as my mental break instead of Facebook) sells within a couple days. I never see a CD on a website more than once.

Yeah they're playing both sides of the coin. Tell you essentially "well they're not making these anymore so we need to offer low" on trade and then flip the coin and tell you "well they're not making these anymore so they're a hot commodity" on the new one.

Honestly I think they'll sell. I think there's enough pent up demand, and not many out there.


I don't think I'd trade mine unless I got close to 40. 39-40 on trade and low 60s for a new 16 and I'd probably leave the office and hit up the dealer right now.

Hearing Ddesimone say they only offered 25? I know what I'd tell them...

NADAGuides.com has my 14 with 65k valued at 38k for "fair" trade in. I think KellyBB is wrong. Based on the fact that most CD's I see are *still* listed in the mid-high 40s for 13-14 and mid-high 50s for 15-16....

chsu74

Still waiting for more feedback on performance of 958.1 post fix before deciding if upgrading to a 958.2 makes sense..

User 52121

When cold, it's definitely different. Torque converter doesn't lockup until 4th gear, so the powertrain feels "loose" until then. Needs those revs to push more exhaust flow, to heat the cat so it starts working as soon as possible.

Once fully warmed up? I don't think I can really tell there's a difference. ~250 miles on it so far.... 50/50 mix of 75-80mph highway, and gridlock. I drove it around aggressively last night on some errands and... yeah... it's pretty much the same as it always was. Same thick torque curve.

I'd expect that, post-fix, there won't be ANY difference between .1 and .2 since the .1 just gets the .2 hardware, then they both get software. Though really there was only one "drive" where, pre-fix, I could tell any difference between my .1 and several .2 loaners I had.

onelove

I've shopped a few dealers (early thanks to this thread), most didn't have info early on but now are "eager to sell" yet only offering 10% off MSRP. When I question why every 17 on their lot including platinums are being offered 13-14% off and the cars that have been sitting for 2-3 years are only 10% off I hear crickets.... (one car was even a loaner/demo and still only 10% off). I think most are expecting better discounts and it will take some time before these dealers realize while there is demand, at 10% I don't expect most will be running to their dealerships based on "expected discounts".

NM912E

I just bought a '15 from MotorWerks for 56K with 29K miles, it stickered for 82K when new. I think I paid too much but it had what we were looking for with one exception, LCA . As I was doing my due diligence most 15's were being offered at 53-54K with the same miles. Negotiating with the Porsche dealers for me was the hardest places I've ever dealt with to get a price concession. Non Porsche dealers on the other hand seemed to go big on price breaks out the gate (lower listing prices). Only one non dealer had what I wanted ( a '16 with 25K miles for 54) and when I called to make my offer it had sold it was only on the dealers lot one day , this was in Denver.

As for new cars North Houston Porsche offered me the 20% on a call back and I wish I had not committed to the 15 or I would have bought from them, the sales person was extremely kind and wanted to work with me but the deal on the other one was in the works. Her name is Leila if anyone is looking.

On our '13 we are going to try and get 37K on Craigslist in Denver it has 80K miles, and the premium plus package. Manheim showed several through the auction at 33K so we should be in the ballpark.

The '15 is still in Barrington and I need to get it to Albuquerque or Denver anyone know of a small transport company that they trust ?

User 52121

I did negotiate a bit with MW for all 3 of my purchases but IMO found they were definitely "fair". Might not've been a "OMG A STEAL!" but it was priced fair, I got some off, they made some money. The delta between their asking price and where we wound up was not massive. My experience, they don't do massive mark-ups, but they also don't move very much.

I had my buddy in my back pocket sending me Mannheim listings so I knew what they likely owned their vehicle for, and knew what they'd likely get for my trade (if I was trading... which only my CD had a trade.)

By my last purchase (2015 Boxster S) I had enough rapport with the sales manager (Stu) he flatly showed me his screen, and what he owned the car for - he made right around $1500.

I didn't negotiate any harder or less hard on that deal than the other. It was a bit of a dance but not bad overall, and that's coming from someone (me) who HATES negotiating.

All 3 purchases came fully detailed (expected...) new tires, fully serviced and ready to go.

Who was your sales guy? And is the '15 a former sales/service demo or something they found via trade-in/auction?

skiahh

Where are you guys seeing the Porsche North Houston inventory? All I see there is a single, used '13 CD. Nothing about 15s or 16s anywhere.