"Flying Dutchman or any of the trained Aero Beetle GT3 boys" vs. FIAT Challenge
03-06-2012, 05:28 AM
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Yep GT3RS is going to be TTU. The Sebring TTU record was set in 08 and the current group of NASA TTU drivers are not great. The TTA, TTB, TTC, and TTD records strong with good drivers and well prepped cars.
New tire contingency rules Hoosier will pay 2 tires for 1st place in class if there are 5 entrants in class and you are on Hoosiers must register with Hoosier before running. If 7 in class then 2nd gets 1 Hoosier. Hoosiers need to be purchased from Performance Tread the on site NASA FL Tire supplier
Yep GT3RS is going to be TTU. The Sebring TTU record was set in 08 and the current group of NASA TTU drivers are not great. The TTA, TTB, TTC, and TTD records strong with good drivers and well prepped cars.
New tire contingency rules Hoosier will pay 2 tires for 1st place in class if there are 5 entrants in class and you are on Hoosiers must register with Hoosier before running. If 7 in class then 2nd gets 1 Hoosier. Hoosiers need to be purchased from Performance Tread the on site NASA FL Tire supplier
03-06-2012, 05:43 AM
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The 3.8 RS puts power on a DynoJet in the 425whp range (multiple dynos posted so far).
The only way to get the 3.8RS in TTS is by tuning the ECU to make less power, add a restrictor plate, drop the rev limiter or adding a lot of weight.
The base weight of a 3.8RS (U.S. version) is 3,116 lbs with no fuel. Add 50 lbs of fuel and a 200 lbs driver, still doesn't get to the required 8.7 lbs/whp. Most tracked RS have the rear muffler replaced (less weight), toolbox removed, lighter wheels, etc.
03-06-2012, 08:44 AM
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If you guys want to do this at Roebling, I will donate the Dyno time at our shop in Charleston. I'm sure we can find an open day at RR. Worse case, rent the track and split the cost for a group of 10 cars. I would love to see how the 2 cars compare. Driver skill aside. Sounds like a lot of fun. I would also throw my hat in the ring for the impartial comparison driver. Really don't care what cars wins, just would be a blast to see which is faster. I also might have access to an aero beetle. 2011 RS with exhaust mods, hoosier r6, but has the ceramic brakes with stock pads.
03-06-2012, 08:58 AM
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RRR may be a good choice: dirt cheap to rent for a day, relatively safe, a significant equalizer of real or perceived HP differences.
03-06-2012, 09:01 AM
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If you guys want to do this at Roebling, I will donate the Dyno time at our shop in Charleston. I'm sure we can find an open day at RR. Worse case, rent the track and split the cost for a group of 10 cars. I would love to see how the 2 cars compare. Driver skill aside. Sounds like a lot of fun. I would also throw my hat in the ring for the impartial comparison driver. Really don't care what cars wins, just would be a blast to see which is faster. I also might have access to an aero beetle. 2011 RS with exhaust mods, hoosier r6, but has the ceramic brakes with stock pads.
03-06-2012, 09:12 AM
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No. That's coming off 10 back Into the infield.
I would assume sub 1:30's w/ NASCAR 3 and 4. We are running it this weekend for the first time in the 3 or 4 years I have been involved with NASA.
I'm really tempted to take the RS to the track this weekend instead of the race car. Though I need seat time in the race car...
I would assume sub 1:30's w/ NASCAR 3 and 4. We are running it this weekend for the first time in the 3 or 4 years I have been involved with NASA.
I'm really tempted to take the RS to the track this weekend instead of the race car. Though I need seat time in the race car...
I'll post up a video later for some critique and pointers. I really enjoyed Homestead. It was fun and a clean nice facility.
03-06-2012, 09:13 AM
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I ran a 1:41 with HPDE-4 back in 01/11 on fresh A6, and 1:42-1:43 on old A6 last November. My totally bone Cayman S, sans a front GT3 bar.
Homestead is kind of fun.
NASA doesn't run the NASCAR 3&4 turns. But they are going to run T3/T4 this weekend for the first time, so records are up for grabs on that faster setup.
Homestead is kind of fun.
NASA doesn't run the NASCAR 3&4 turns. But they are going to run T3/T4 this weekend for the first time, so records are up for grabs on that faster setup.
03-06-2012, 09:17 AM
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03-06-2012, 09:23 AM
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VR...I know...bunch of dang cheaters..... funny stuff at the track i always hear....yeah my car is totally stock....I then go look at the car and it doesn't sound or look stock and it has Hoosiers on it and mods galore.
I'm honest...my car is not stock but all it has besides safety harness is. free flowing mufflers, front lower control arms with solid bushings, rear toe arms to keep rear toe in check and I track on cast OZ wheels and N Spec stock sized 19" MPSC's which I have learned do not have the grip that R888's have in the 1st 4 track days of there life.
I'm honest...my car is not stock but all it has besides safety harness is. free flowing mufflers, front lower control arms with solid bushings, rear toe arms to keep rear toe in check and I track on cast OZ wheels and N Spec stock sized 19" MPSC's which I have learned do not have the grip that R888's have in the 1st 4 track days of there life.
03-06-2012, 10:02 AM
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The nice thing about NASA TT is the TT director posts the car classification sheets and dynos on the web for all to see. Cars are visually checked in impound after each session and weighed as needed.
Ian ran a 1:31.883 at the SCCA january national in an underprepped STU Honda S2000 with 230rwhp that is running NASCAR 3/4.
Peter
Ian ran a 1:31.883 at the SCCA january national in an underprepped STU Honda S2000 with 230rwhp that is running NASCAR 3/4.
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03-06-2012, 10:16 AM
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The only 3.8 in TTS is the standard GT3.
The 3.8 RS puts power on a DynoJet in the 425whp range (multiple dynos posted so far).
The only way to get the 3.8RS in TTS is by tuning the ECU to make less power, add a restrictor plate, drop the rev limiter or adding a lot of weight.
The base weight of a 3.8RS (U.S. version) is 3,116 lbs with no fuel. Add 50 lbs of fuel and a 200 lbs driver, still doesn't get to the required 8.7 lbs/whp. Most tracked RS have the rear muffler replaced (less weight), toolbox removed, lighter wheels, etc.
The 3.8 RS puts power on a DynoJet in the 425whp range (multiple dynos posted so far).
The only way to get the 3.8RS in TTS is by tuning the ECU to make less power, add a restrictor plate, drop the rev limiter or adding a lot of weight.
The base weight of a 3.8RS (U.S. version) is 3,116 lbs with no fuel. Add 50 lbs of fuel and a 200 lbs driver, still doesn't get to the required 8.7 lbs/whp. Most tracked RS have the rear muffler replaced (less weight), toolbox removed, lighter wheels, etc.
Yes, yes I did say that.
03-06-2012, 10:25 AM
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I must really suck then...that is flying on that track config. I'm in a stockish Carrera GTS on stock MPSC. Mods besided safety are mufflers, lower control arms for the front. Most GT3's with good drivers where doing 1:40-42's. If I got on the power earlier I would slide on Homesteads surface.
I'll post up a video later for some critique and pointers. I really enjoyed Homestead. It was fun and a clean nice facility.
I'll post up a video later for some critique and pointers. I really enjoyed Homestead. It was fun and a clean nice facility.