Rules:

- Exhaust modifications: free (all Aero Beetles are running on modified exhausts)
- Hoosier R6
- Steel brakes and PFC08 brake pads
- Splitter, dive planes, wings allowed stock or aftermarket
- No Traction Control and no PSM allowed. All nannies off.
- No excuses

 

im loving this, hope it happens sooner than later, iv tracked both and i wouldnt know which wil come on top, real exciting

 

Rad, please don't complain about having no spoiler wings etc. I just checked the specs for both F430 Scuderia and .2 GT3 RS. Here's the numbers:

F430 Scuderia: 310kg of downforce @186mph. Souce: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._scuderia.html
997.2 GT3 RS: 170kg of downforce @186mph. Source: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...11_gt3_rs.html

 

Rad, can I suggest the following: Rather than swap cars and push hard in an unfamiliar car, for safety, this is where you guys should use a pro driver to benchmark your cars... I'd suggest, run a session to gather best laptimes, hand cars over to a pro to benchmark and determine compare your laps as a % of the best achieved by the pro... Thus it will be the guy who gets the smallest % difference to the pro that takes the Sebring Cup home...

Don't swap cars, may not be a safe or smart move... just saying...

Good luck to you all fellas! And respect to you rad for laying down the challenge and taking on the beatle brigade!

 

good points, chris!!! i would be devastated if i totalled somebody else's car. even if i had the money to replace it, still would feel very bad!!!

 

Cool. I hear ya on that. But again, you wer ein full Nomex, full cage, etc., not t shirts & shorts like you guys use at Sebring.

Peter did 2:18's on RA1's. With better tires, 2:16 is more than doable IMO.

Agreed. This is why IMO you need a drover who is NOT part of the challenge nor one of the car owners here.

Interesting & excellent suggestions. Also agree with no car swap--bad idea IMO.

 

If you guys are serious I vote for TT with NASA all the way. Your cars would all run in TTU and there are already limitations for that class so you set them up as best you can for that class and let the times do the talking.

Lapping for 30 minutes during an HPDE setting isn't a place to race even if not taking it that seriously and with TT unlike the HPDE thing you are in a competitive setting which adds that extra shot of adrenalin needed to really go for it.

A6s are legal so that's the obvious tire to run and that's what most TT winners use as well as most sprint race winners. The TT thing is no joke and most of the time the TT group will post the fastest lap of the weekend.

 

170k is a little off for your car. I don't think they were going for that when they 1st came out and I know you know that

 

Maybe he meant 170k Euros

 

that car was $600k here. 7.2 rs was 400k.

 

What makes this sport so much fun is the man and machine combo thing so let the best man and machine combo do the talking there's no need to switch cars etc.... Once the numbers play out the loser goes back to the drawing board and the winner can run his mouth about what a great car he owns

 

Don't blame you. That thing could spontaneously combust at any time, being close to home ideal for a donkey.

Actually it shows the most important thing- consistency. How much the car, and the driver, slows down after an extended run shows how poorly the car is built and engineered, and how poorly skilled the driver really is.

Then run the 25 minute session. On street tires, not R compounds.

Sorry, I don't want to be responsible for your potential fireball, just as I don't want you driving my car.

You're full of ****. Compare apples to apples, a Roller is not a sports car. On the other hand, comparing your donkey to a real sports car closer to that price range, say, a McLaren, would really show you how crappy a Scud is.

430 Scud list price- $262K+

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...cuderia_page_5

GT3RS list price- $135,500

http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/911/2...48&trim=gt3-rs

McLaren MP4-12C list price- $229,000

http://www.edmunds.com/mclaren/mp4-1...base&sub=coupe

I thought you were for real... but I guess not. To whine about mods and such, really? Run whatcha brung, stop letting the wind lift up your petticoat, we don't need to see that. Quitcher bitching and get on your donkey!

You would actually lose by a lot more to mine.

The only reason why I chimed up is because my car, even at a used price, is closer to similar cost to yours. My car's list price with options is still almost $40K less than yours and apparently the used price has a similar deviation.

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Race tires? Really? Can't handle a street tire?

I don't use Performance Friction. I use stock mostly or Endless ME20 which is a street pad. Street pad should be spec.

Aero mods? I have none, my car is OEM aero.

TC and PSM? I don't give a damn if you use them or not.

No excuses? I think you've already used up all the excuses anyone can think of!

 

+1 he's been complaining about wings this whole time knowing the Ferrari's produce huge DF via Venturi tunnels.

The F430 Challenge cars ran similar times as cup cars and had no wings but just as much (or more) DF.

Then he sandbags on the price factor as well, what's up with this guy?

Do not under any circumstances drive each others cars, that is foolish.

 

Indeed he is, as his comments about a variety of topics in a variety of threads here have proven....

Indeed +1 on all points.

 

I'm still waiting on his proof that a 265/30R19 R6 Hoosier fits on the front of the 997.

That's a problem since I've never found such a size R6.