"Flying Dutchman or any of the trained Aero Beetle GT3 boys" vs. FIAT Challenge
03-05-2012, 02:13 PM
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Because the boys are suffering, now that suddenly my Fiat is making decent power (says Traqmate and the guy with the Nissan GTR and a Pearl Lambo).
Power is nothing without control, and car control is lacking in my short experience driving cars flatout. The lack of supersize wings hurts me even more, so it is an easy grab.
Power is nothing without control, and car control is lacking in my short experience driving cars flatout. The lack of supersize wings hurts me even more, so it is an easy grab.
03-05-2012, 02:19 PM
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Seriously?
They would show up with detailing kits, bikini babes, Dolce shoes, Tri-Color leather jackets in this summer weather, ready have my car detailed, and waiting to see if I win the Cars & Coffee Trophy.
They would get confused if I explain that we are comparing my Fiat to the Aero Beetles at a racetrack, questioning why I'm doing this, and that my shiny paint finish would not last at the track, they'll try to talk me out.
They would question why I'm using a Scuderia and not a 458 Italia or 599 GTO that are the most advanced cars ever built.
They would advise me to put the car on Race mode and let the car do the driving.
No thanks, sometimes no-support is better than some support.
The good news, the crisis of 2008 brought a way different type of Fiat owners, and the momentum hasn't stopped. Plenty of them are Porsche guys, others are former Porsche guys, I'm somewhere in the middle thanks to VW Group.
03-05-2012, 02:56 PM
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Rad, I'll be honest, I really do wish more Ferrari (and Lambo too) owners were like you. Meaning drive their car at the track and weren't afraid to talk a little smack and willing to back it up. That is almost non existent in the Ferrari world.
Don't take the Traqmate numbers too seriously, it's a ballpark like I said. Are you inputting different specs for the cars when it comes up with this number or are you using the same one? If you are using the same specs, they will be significantly off.
Don't take the Traqmate numbers too seriously, it's a ballpark like I said. Are you inputting different specs for the cars when it comes up with this number or are you using the same one? If you are using the same specs, they will be significantly off.
03-05-2012, 02:59 PM
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Seriously?
They would show up with detailing kits, bikini babes, Dolce shoes, Tri-Color leather jackets in this summer weather, ready have my car detailed, and waiting to see if I win the Cars & Coffee Trophy.
They would get confused if I explain that we are comparing my Fiat to the Aero Beetles at a racetrack, questioning why I'm doing this, and that my shiny paint finish would not last at the track, they'll try to talk me out.
They would question why I'm using a Scuderia and not a 458 Italia or 599 GTO that are the most advanced cars ever built.
They would advise me to put the car on Race mode and let the car do the driving.
No thanks, sometimes no-support is better than some support.
The good news, the crisis of 2008 brought a way different type of Fiat owners, and the momentum hasn't stopped. Plenty of them are Porsche guys, others are former Porsche guys, I'm somewhere in the middle thanks to VW Group.
03-05-2012, 04:38 PM
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Basic reality when it comes to street cars: the more expensive and exclusive, the less use it will see, especially track use. Doesn't matter whether it's a VW, 4wd VW, or Fiat - basic reality holds.
03-05-2012, 04:57 PM
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all porsches usually see the track at some point. ive seen carrera gt's and gt2 rs's all hit the track we know know those price tags. compared to 599, 612, 430 scud etc, that wont ever see the track or even 4k miles. and no the porsches arent done on a regular basis but they will come out at least once
03-05-2012, 05:23 PM
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all porsches usually see the track at some point. ive seen carrera gt's and gt2 rs's all hit the track we know know those price tags. compared to 599, 612, 430 scud etc, that wont ever see the track or even 4k miles. and no the porsches arent done on a regular basis but they will come out at least once
The Ferrari track events are exclusive, catered affairs - champagne, cavier, free masseuses, complimentary gold chains - you get the idea. Just because you're not invited doesn't mean they don't happen. Also, they don't tend to be held at abandoned airfields. You're more likely to find them at perfectly coiffed facilities like Monticello. It's all part of the image.
Don't hate the messenger.
03-05-2012, 05:25 PM
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Jenks:
The Ferrari track events are exclusive, catered affairs - champagne, cavier, free masseuses, complimentary gold chains - you get the idea. Just because you're not invited doesn't mean they don't happen. Also, they don't tend to be held at abandoned airfields. You're more likely to find them at perfectly coiffed facilities like Monticello. It's all part of the image.
Don't hate the messenger.
The Ferrari track events are exclusive, catered affairs - champagne, cavier, free masseuses, complimentary gold chains - you get the idea. Just because you're not invited doesn't mean they don't happen. Also, they don't tend to be held at abandoned airfields. You're more likely to find them at perfectly coiffed facilities like Monticello. It's all part of the image.
Don't hate the messenger.
03-05-2012, 05:30 PM
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all porsches usually see the track at some point. ive seen carrera gt's and gt2 rs's all hit the track we know know those price tags. compared to 599, 612, 430 scud etc, that wont ever see the track or even 4k miles. and no the porsches arent done on a regular basis but they will come out at least once
03-05-2012, 05:56 PM
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03-05-2012, 05:57 PM
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Proof, instructor's group at PCA, watch in front of me !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9-j...yer_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9-j...yer_detailpage
03-05-2012, 06:05 PM
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The latest software for the Traqmate has some neat stuff, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.
Do you know how to read the HP stuff in the Traqmate? I have a lot of files and can't see how to do it? or is it a thing to do while the car is running?
I wonder how does traqmate calculates drag from massive wings? it probably throws a bogus low HP number on a car like the GT3 Cup or 4.0RS.
EDDIE boy, setup the Dyno Day this week. Make it a new Thread. Lots of people interested, at least 4 cars confirmed. Don't make me go Greek on you.
Mr. Cuatro Punto Cero, I hope you bring your cheater Blue Aero Beetle to the dyno day, or are you afraid of dynos as you are of drag racing?
Do you know how to read the HP stuff in the Traqmate? I have a lot of files and can't see how to do it? or is it a thing to do while the car is running?
I wonder how does traqmate calculates drag from massive wings? it probably throws a bogus low HP number on a car like the GT3 Cup or 4.0RS.
EDDIE boy, setup the Dyno Day this week. Make it a new Thread. Lots of people interested, at least 4 cars confirmed. Don't make me go Greek on you.
Mr. Cuatro Punto Cero, I hope you bring your cheater Blue Aero Beetle to the dyno day, or are you afraid of dynos as you are of drag racing?
When my Solo DL comes back repaired from AIM systems, you can download all the data you want at the track.
My car's engine/ecy will not be touched and it can be Dynoed. I don't need to see your Dyno as I can estimate with 3% your HP after seeing you in the backstraight at Sebring.
For me this thread is almost mind numbing. Every track weekend is a Challenge that includes a Shakespeare Rhetoric of Lies!!! Reter, Erik, Randy Pobst and Leh King can drive my car!!!
03-05-2012, 07:09 PM
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Hey JP, that is you signed up for SuperSolo at Roebling in a couple weeks, right?