my gt3 STOLEN: UPDATE FOUND TORCHED
08-26-2009, 02:10 AM
#256
Poseur
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I always assume that the police have integrity and will tell the truth,--until I found about the police in Massachusetts. (I think they refer to them as ***** there). Their cop lied to a judge and that was it. Sadly, the police force in this country hangs around with the worst people all the time and so a lot of that bad rubs off onto them.
08-26-2009, 08:16 AM
#258
There where a prime time tv article indicating Vegas is notorious for insurance burn out. They even have a task force specifcally dedicated to it. I don't remember what was the percentage of fraud, but it was high. The cop say everyday there is a burn out and most likely is fraud by owner. The cop maybe is harsh on the OP, but if you see this day in and day out, especially if it involved a high priced hard to steal GT3, one can jump to the conclusion. It's almost like racial profiling. Sad, but it happen...
If this was turned around and the police did not actively pursue a real suspect, who did happen to be the owner and did commit the crimes with the same evidence at hand, then they (the police) would be still be considered wrong by some.
Last edited by 911dev; 08-26-2009 at 09:56 AM.
08-26-2009, 01:56 PM
#259
911dev:
Your basis for "reasonable suspicion" is interesting. Using this logic, if a woman is in an "area" known for prostitution and she calls the police and claims she was raped, the officer would have reasonable suspicion to assume she was not raped but that her customer refused to pay. She has cash in her purse, she is in an "area" with hotels, she is in an "area" known for prostitution and she has the part of anatomy necessary for prostitution. Soundly like your description of "reasonable suspicion."
Following your logic, "they would be remiss in their duties to treat the situation without suspicion." They would immediately want a lie detector test as opposed to a rape kit. The first presumption should be that she was not a victim but the criminal.
Your basis for "reasonable suspicion" is interesting. Using this logic, if a woman is in an "area" known for prostitution and she calls the police and claims she was raped, the officer would have reasonable suspicion to assume she was not raped but that her customer refused to pay. She has cash in her purse, she is in an "area" with hotels, she is in an "area" known for prostitution and she has the part of anatomy necessary for prostitution. Soundly like your description of "reasonable suspicion."
Following your logic, "they would be remiss in their duties to treat the situation without suspicion." They would immediately want a lie detector test as opposed to a rape kit. The first presumption should be that she was not a victim but the criminal.
It's not my logic it is the legal description of reasonable suspicion, not your JA opinion of it.
Anyway, you're creating an entirely different scenario with far less suspicion than the aforementioned scenario. Like cash in her purse equates to the only known keys to a stolen car being accounted for and no apparent evidence of tampering, or the fact that these cars are so very difficult to steal, or that it was torched for no apparent reason, or like the OP's car being in an area known for this type of activity is the only reason there is RS. RS is the culmination of events, not one single event. Your example has a woman in an area known for prostition, with cash on her, that by no means whatsoever is even close to part of the OP's situation. She would not be considered suspect in the example offered. The cash in her purse part is ridiculous as is your crude inference to the obvious anatomical part.
To answer your question, no the police would not treat her as a suspect. Yes, a rape kit and other evidence would be gathered. Of course, she would be quesitioned. Now if she had a few "John's" names with prices in her pocket that might change things or the rape kit did not support her claim, well then suspicion would arise, but an investigation would continue.
Believe it or not some women have claimed rape when they have not been raped just as some others have reported their cars stolen and charred well done, when they in fact did it. (Obviously, the OP did not commit this crime, so that's there is no confusion.)
Right back at ya!
Oh, and welcome to the forum.
Last edited by 911dev; 08-26-2009 at 05:17 PM.
08-26-2009, 03:13 PM
#260
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009...casino-burned/
The suspects name has been publicly released.
Another picture of him can be seen here:
http://www.crimestoppersinlandnorthw...0429162805.JPG
He is wanted in another state as well.
Google him and on the 2nd hit you find:
"
Submit a Web Tip Wanted As Of: April 29, 2009
First Degree Identity Theft and Attempting to Elude Police Vehicle
Name: Philip Ryan Morley
Alias:
Sex: Male Race: Caucasian
Age: 24 DOB: 7-24-84
Height: 5ft 9in Weight: 160 lbs
Hair: Brown Eyes: Brown
________________________________
Warrant: First Degree identity Theft and Attmepting to Elude Police Vehicle
Philip Ryan Morley has a 13-year criminal history with convictions for refusal to cooperate, second-degree arson and the
obligatory third-degree driving while license suspended. He last gave 1929 E. Thirty-Fourth in Spokane as his home address."
So, he has a long history of theft and arson.
The suspects name has been publicly released.
Another picture of him can be seen here:
http://www.crimestoppersinlandnorthw...0429162805.JPG
He is wanted in another state as well.
Google him and on the 2nd hit you find:
"
Submit a Web Tip Wanted As Of: April 29, 2009
First Degree Identity Theft and Attempting to Elude Police Vehicle
Name: Philip Ryan Morley
Alias:
Sex: Male Race: Caucasian
Age: 24 DOB: 7-24-84
Height: 5ft 9in Weight: 160 lbs
Hair: Brown Eyes: Brown
________________________________
Warrant: First Degree identity Theft and Attmepting to Elude Police Vehicle
Philip Ryan Morley has a 13-year criminal history with convictions for refusal to cooperate, second-degree arson and the
obligatory third-degree driving while license suspended. He last gave 1929 E. Thirty-Fourth in Spokane as his home address."
So, he has a long history of theft and arson.
08-26-2009, 03:31 PM
#261
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Still couldn't figure how he get the car going so fast. Can this be the real "Gone in 60sec"? Don't see him holding a bag full of computer. He doesn't look that smart. The "Key" is the key to this crime.
08-26-2009, 04:25 PM
#264
Three Wheelin'
A 13-year criminal history of related offenses! How impressive for a 25 year old.
I'm surprised he wasn't one of the people the police would have looked into right away, since it's usually people with a similar criminal history that perform crimes.
I'm surprised he wasn't one of the people the police would have looked into right away, since it's usually people with a similar criminal history that perform crimes.
08-26-2009, 04:51 PM
#265
This is not directed at you, but we want to be certain that the police did not use "reasonable suspicion" or simple common sense and assume anything. That might offend some people here. Wtih that said, I don't want to go into what can and can not be used to consider someone a suspect and thus serve as the basis for bulding a case or convict someone in a courtroom; as much as it can be very convoluted it varies state to state.
08-26-2009, 05:03 PM
#266
Three Wheelin'
911dev,
Believe me, I understand exactly why the police looked into the owner. I also believe in profiling for the same reasons; statistically, it has value. All I'm saying is that the same logic applies to the 25 year-old (alleged) perpetrator. There was nothing wrong with the police investigating crispenigl. That's reasonable. How and what they did during the course of the investigation might have been, but I wasn't there and will pass no judgment on it.
I guess my comment goes to the (reported) fact that the arrest was the result of a tip. It is my experience that most people (police included) will tend to take any credit that they reasonably can, from which I inferred that the (alleged) perpetrator had not previously been considered a "person of interest".
That's all. Sorry if you took my comment as incendiary. That wasn't my intent.
Believe me, I understand exactly why the police looked into the owner. I also believe in profiling for the same reasons; statistically, it has value. All I'm saying is that the same logic applies to the 25 year-old (alleged) perpetrator. There was nothing wrong with the police investigating crispenigl. That's reasonable. How and what they did during the course of the investigation might have been, but I wasn't there and will pass no judgment on it.
I guess my comment goes to the (reported) fact that the arrest was the result of a tip. It is my experience that most people (police included) will tend to take any credit that they reasonably can, from which I inferred that the (alleged) perpetrator had not previously been considered a "person of interest".
That's all. Sorry if you took my comment as incendiary. That wasn't my intent.
08-26-2009, 05:10 PM
#267
911dev,
Believe me, I understand exactly why the police looked into the owner. I also believe in profiling for the same reasons; statistically, it has value. All I'm saying is that the same logic applies to the 25 year-old (alleged) perpetrator. There was nothing wrong with the police investigating crispenigl. That's reasonable. How and what they did during the course of the investigation might have been, but I wasn't there and will pass no judgment on it.
I guess my comment goes to the (reported) fact that the arrest was the result of a tip. It is my experience that most people (police included) will tend to take any credit that they reasonably can, from which I inferred that the (alleged) perpetrator had not previously been considered a "person of interest".
That's all. Sorry if you took my comment as incendiary. That wasn't my intent.
Believe me, I understand exactly why the police looked into the owner. I also believe in profiling for the same reasons; statistically, it has value. All I'm saying is that the same logic applies to the 25 year-old (alleged) perpetrator. There was nothing wrong with the police investigating crispenigl. That's reasonable. How and what they did during the course of the investigation might have been, but I wasn't there and will pass no judgment on it.
I guess my comment goes to the (reported) fact that the arrest was the result of a tip. It is my experience that most people (police included) will tend to take any credit that they reasonably can, from which I inferred that the (alleged) perpetrator had not previously been considered a "person of interest".
That's all. Sorry if you took my comment as incendiary. That wasn't my intent.
Credit should go where it belongs for sure. I was trying to say that even if the police were looking at this guy, they wouldn't say so until afterwards. Regardless, I am confident that the tipster helped dramatically. Kudos to him/her; probably a scorned woman anyway. You know what they say.
08-26-2009, 05:50 PM
#268
08-26-2009, 05:52 PM
#269
Thanks.
Credit should go where it belongs for sure. I was trying to say that even if the police were looking at this guy, they wouldn't say so until afterwards. Regardless, I am confident that the tipster helped dramatically. Kudos to him/her; probably a scorned woman anyway. You know what they say.
Credit should go where it belongs for sure. I was trying to say that even if the police were looking at this guy, they wouldn't say so until afterwards. Regardless, I am confident that the tipster helped dramatically. Kudos to him/her; probably a scorned woman anyway. You know what they say.
08-26-2009, 06:07 PM
#270
Three Wheelin'
Where did he get a valet key?