my gt3 STOLEN: UPDATE FOUND TORCHED
08-17-2009, 02:59 PM
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08-17-2009, 03:54 PM
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I bet there was another person or persons who actually jacked it and this kid was just the mule to get it out.
08-17-2009, 07:14 PM
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Do you have any idea whether or not the car had parts harvested before it was torched?
My Rx7 which was stolen about 25 years ago was stripped and then torched.
My Rx7 which was stolen about 25 years ago was stripped and then torched.
08-17-2009, 11:59 PM
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With every technology attempt at stopping theives, they learn new ways to make "master" keys that can get into any specific mfg car.
Same problem happened for those "keyless" cars. They sit in a car or van with an RF scanner an can pick-up the RF coming from the car waiting for the owners matching keyset, only to be hacked.
My guess is they used a master to gain access to the car and drive it off w/o any alarms or problems judging from the time frame.
A yellow GT3 gets lots of attention, so someone had to see it before or is looking for this type of car. With camera coverage, you have to get in and out fast. Someone tipped off the person who took it. Along with that master key, there is no alarm to attract attention.
I hope you do not have any issues with the insurance company and get a new one soon.
Deanski
Same problem happened for those "keyless" cars. They sit in a car or van with an RF scanner an can pick-up the RF coming from the car waiting for the owners matching keyset, only to be hacked.
My guess is they used a master to gain access to the car and drive it off w/o any alarms or problems judging from the time frame.
A yellow GT3 gets lots of attention, so someone had to see it before or is looking for this type of car. With camera coverage, you have to get in and out fast. Someone tipped off the person who took it. Along with that master key, there is no alarm to attract attention.
I hope you do not have any issues with the insurance company and get a new one soon.
Deanski
08-18-2009, 12:22 AM
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I think they're using an alternate ECU to start the cars, they somehow get it on the bus and then the key starts that ECU. Not sure the particulars for the GT3.
When I was in college I wrote a paper on making a foolproof system that took all of the ECU maps/parameters and put them into the key itself. Then used a public/private encryption key pair to exchange the maps via USB when the key was inserted. RFID to unlock, then the key itself was a USB device that looked like a normal key. The idea being that you weren't bypassing the security on the ECU, it didn't have enough information to operate the car without the maps on the key.
That's a Computer Science education for you, spend all your time doing your damn best to make your job cool! Then after school.... cruel, cruel reality sets in
When I was in college I wrote a paper on making a foolproof system that took all of the ECU maps/parameters and put them into the key itself. Then used a public/private encryption key pair to exchange the maps via USB when the key was inserted. RFID to unlock, then the key itself was a USB device that looked like a normal key. The idea being that you weren't bypassing the security on the ECU, it didn't have enough information to operate the car without the maps on the key.
That's a Computer Science education for you, spend all your time doing your damn best to make your job cool! Then after school.... cruel, cruel reality sets in
08-18-2009, 01:53 PM
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Regarding the Comp Sci. paper - What's to stop having a hacker with their own ECU-laden key? And if that is not enough, then when you insert a USB key with ECU content, it has to talk to another device I will name SOMETHING.
So then, what stops a hacker from bringing his own ECU style key and that corresponding matched SOMETHING device to start the car?
If the thief has enough electronic components at his disposal, I don't see how a method can be fool proof unless some of the components are physically/mechanically very difficult to get to which might slow things down.
In any case, am very sorry for OP to hear about the theft and burn of his GT3....
So then, what stops a hacker from bringing his own ECU style key and that corresponding matched SOMETHING device to start the car?
If the thief has enough electronic components at his disposal, I don't see how a method can be fool proof unless some of the components are physically/mechanically very difficult to get to which might slow things down.
In any case, am very sorry for OP to hear about the theft and burn of his GT3....
08-22-2009, 09:00 PM
#206
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Well if you want the CSI explanation, someone switched the key you are carrying out with another Porsche key. Does it match the one you have at home?
If you want the Mentalist explanation, you switched the key out yourself and paid that guy to steal it, relying on the fact the police won't check the key you offer them as evidence.
I see no other possible explanations as if its that person they had a key. Simple as that. Also the police seem to be suggesting that and they'd notice if the dash had been torn open etc.
I should get a job writing crime drama.
If you want the Mentalist explanation, you switched the key out yourself and paid that guy to steal it, relying on the fact the police won't check the key you offer them as evidence.
I see no other possible explanations as if its that person they had a key. Simple as that. Also the police seem to be suggesting that and they'd notice if the dash had been torn open etc.
I should get a job writing crime drama.
08-23-2009, 03:10 AM
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Accomplices. The only one we have a picture of is the one caught behind the wheel. He was only the driver. There were others involved to make this work so fast. Once they had the car opened and ready to go they simply called in the driver to do his part. The casino has many more videos that are not being shared.
