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I'm genuinely curious with the following question...
I've had my 997.2 C2S (manual, 6sp, sport seats/full leather, lots of options, etc) for almost 6 years, driven it about 40k miles, paid about 40% of what you did for your GTS and in that time spent less on mods/maintenance than you did immediately upon purchasing yours.
why?
Is money not a material object? is this thing not going to ever get driven and it's just dollars in/dollars out on a screen somewhere?
I guess I simply don't understand the sheer amount of money people are paying for these cars for both purchase, then upgrade, and then to be stashed away or in hopes of breaking even/making money somehow.
I've driven a GTS and it's almost impossible to tell that it's much different than my (already objectively great) car. And this isn't a debate about last RWD/widebody etc. car.
But why buy a 100k car, dump a bunch of money into it, and then expect for it all to come back moments later?
I've had my 997.2 C2S (manual, 6sp, sport seats/full leather, lots of options, etc) for almost 6 years, driven it about 40k miles, paid about 40% of what you did for your GTS and in that time spent less on mods/maintenance than you did immediately upon purchasing yours.
why?
Is money not a material object? is this thing not going to ever get driven and it's just dollars in/dollars out on a screen somewhere?
I guess I simply don't understand the sheer amount of money people are paying for these cars for both purchase, then upgrade, and then to be stashed away or in hopes of breaking even/making money somehow.
I've driven a GTS and it's almost impossible to tell that it's much different than my (already objectively great) car. And this isn't a debate about last RWD/widebody etc. car.
But why buy a 100k car, dump a bunch of money into it, and then expect for it all to come back moments later?
Read the post, I paid a premium to begin with and had the car looked after and sorted to the level I keep my cars.
Car is not even officially for sale, unless someone really wants to buy it, as my interest have changed. I want back into a 997.2 GT3.
Happy to drive it and have two long road trips already planned for the spring.
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#902
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What's the point of publicly and derisively questioning someone else's purchase? It isn't very helpful or positive for our community, other than broadcasting your bias about your purchase and decision making. Points made aren't even apples to apples. Prices have basically doubled over the past 6 years. A .2 4S with 42K miles just sold for $78K (https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...-carrera-4s-3/), which is still not the same comparison, but closer. Regardless of personal preferences and opinions, there will always be a premium for GTS cars over like S/4S cars. That is a fact. Whether the value is there to you or anyone else is always going to be debatable, but also immaterial to STALKER99's purchase or decision making.
I just don't see the purpose of telling the world why you believe someone paid too much for their car and frittered their money away, or question why they are considering selling in order to get a GT3. BTW, if I could make the economics work, I would do that trade all day long and into Sunday. Why not just congratulate them on their purchase and wish them well in their new journey with their car? I know I will get a lot of **** from the peanut gallery about my old man rant, but the snarkyness on RL is intolerable. We live in a hard enough world as it is. The last thing we need is our own community pissing on each other. 'Nuff said.
I just don't see the purpose of telling the world why you believe someone paid too much for their car and frittered their money away, or question why they are considering selling in order to get a GT3. BTW, if I could make the economics work, I would do that trade all day long and into Sunday. Why not just congratulate them on their purchase and wish them well in their new journey with their car? I know I will get a lot of **** from the peanut gallery about my old man rant, but the snarkyness on RL is intolerable. We live in a hard enough world as it is. The last thing we need is our own community pissing on each other. 'Nuff said.
I'm genuinely curious with the following question...
I've had my 997.2 C2S (manual, 6sp, sport seats/full leather, lots of options, etc) for almost 6 years, driven it about 40k miles, paid about 40% of what you did for your GTS and in that time spent less on mods/maintenance than you did immediately upon purchasing yours.
why?
Is money not a material object? is this thing not going to ever get driven and it's just dollars in/dollars out on a screen somewhere?
I guess I simply don't understand the sheer amount of money people are paying for these cars for both purchase, then upgrade, and then to be stashed away or in hopes of breaking even/making money somehow.
I've driven a GTS and it's almost impossible to tell that it's much different than my (already objectively great) car. And this isn't a debate about last RWD/widebody etc. car.
But why buy a 100k car, dump a bunch of money into it, and then expect for it all to come back moments later?
I've had my 997.2 C2S (manual, 6sp, sport seats/full leather, lots of options, etc) for almost 6 years, driven it about 40k miles, paid about 40% of what you did for your GTS and in that time spent less on mods/maintenance than you did immediately upon purchasing yours.
why?
Is money not a material object? is this thing not going to ever get driven and it's just dollars in/dollars out on a screen somewhere?
I guess I simply don't understand the sheer amount of money people are paying for these cars for both purchase, then upgrade, and then to be stashed away or in hopes of breaking even/making money somehow.
I've driven a GTS and it's almost impossible to tell that it's much different than my (already objectively great) car. And this isn't a debate about last RWD/widebody etc. car.
But why buy a 100k car, dump a bunch of money into it, and then expect for it all to come back moments later?
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What's the point of publicly and derisively questioning someone else's purchase? It isn't very helpful or positive for our community, other than broadcasting your bias about your purchase and decision making. Points made aren't even apples to apples. Prices have basically doubled over the past 6 years. A .2 4S with 42K miles just sold for $78K (https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...-carrera-4s-3/), which is still not the same comparison, but closer. Regardless of personal preferences and opinions, there will always be a premium for GTS cars over like S/4S cars. That is a fact. Whether the value is there to you or anyone else is always going to be debatable, but also immaterial to STALKER99's purchase or decision making.
I just don't see the purpose of telling the world why you believe someone paid too much for their car and frittered their money away, or question why they are considering selling in order to get a GT3. BTW, if I could make the economics work, I would do that trade all day long and into Sunday. Why not just congratulate them on their purchase and wish them well in their new journey with their car? I know I will get a lot of **** from the peanut gallery about my old man rant, but the snarkyness on RL is intolerable. We live in a hard enough world as it is. The last thing we need is our own community pissing on each other. 'Nuff said.
I just don't see the purpose of telling the world why you believe someone paid too much for their car and frittered their money away, or question why they are considering selling in order to get a GT3. BTW, if I could make the economics work, I would do that trade all day long and into Sunday. Why not just congratulate them on their purchase and wish them well in their new journey with their car? I know I will get a lot of **** from the peanut gallery about my old man rant, but the snarkyness on RL is intolerable. We live in a hard enough world as it is. The last thing we need is our own community pissing on each other. 'Nuff said.
The monetary value thing only means something to someone who plans to sell - that ain't me.
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#904
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I respect that everyone has their own opinion…this is at the end of the day a public forum. But what we do and say does not give any of us a picture of who we are, how we use our cars, our financial situation, etc….
So to make any assumptions here is short sided in my view.
Enjoy the cars in good health and be thankful you we can afford them.
Happy 2022 everyone.
So to make any assumptions here is short sided in my view.
Enjoy the cars in good health and be thankful you we can afford them.
Happy 2022 everyone.
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Whoa a lot happened in here the last few days. Agreed, leave the judgemental (even borderline) posts out, no room for that on an online forum, all adults here and no need to question intentions. That’s what PMs are for, if you desperately want to get inside someone’s head to understand personal decisions.
Only thing that makes me sorta sad is I have to compete with Stalker for a 997.2 GT3 now. You had your chance, buddy!! Leave some for the rest of us!
jk obviously.
Only thing that makes me sorta sad is I have to compete with Stalker for a 997.2 GT3 now. You had your chance, buddy!! Leave some for the rest of us!
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This forum being policed by non-moderators is getting a bit tiresome.
Let individual posters defend their posts.
It's a freaking forum, not a sewing club.
Let individual posters defend their posts.
It's a freaking forum, not a sewing club.
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#907
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Whoa a lot happened in here the last few days. Agreed, leave the judgemental (even borderline) posts out, no room for that on an online forum, all adults here and no need to question intentions. That’s what PMs are for, if you desperately want to get inside someone’s head to understand personal decisions.
Only thing that makes me sorta sad is I have to compete with Stalker for a 997.2 GT3 now. You had your chance, buddy!! Leave some for the rest of us!
jk obviously.
Only thing that makes me sorta sad is I have to compete with Stalker for a 997.2 GT3 now. You had your chance, buddy!! Leave some for the rest of us!
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#908
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GTS 6spd on BAT
This is a great looking car with a near perfect spec. I'm interested in seeing where this goes. I'm tempted.........
This is a great looking car with a near perfect spec. I'm interested in seeing where this goes. I'm tempted.........
#909
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GTS 6spd on BAT
This is a great looking car with a near perfect spec. I'm interested in seeing where this goes. I'm tempted.........
This is a great looking car with a near perfect spec. I'm interested in seeing where this goes. I'm tempted.........
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Don't mean to knock AWD GTS's but what makes a "regular" RWD GTS rare and somewhat unique is that it's the only widebody RWD 997 except for the GT3 RS and the GT2. A 4 GTS is for the most part a 4S with an X 51 power kit, alcantera bits and pieces, some suspension and minor body upgrades and centerlock wheels as I see it. Compared to the two C4S's I've owned, the feel of the RWD GTS is quiet different and special in my opinion.
Let's be honest, and I own a C4GTS myself, no matter how you slice the cake neither is materially better than the non-GTS counterpart. I paid what I thought to be a dumb premium when I bought my car because all the nice stick 997.2's were slipping out of my hands. That premium has only widenend since. Sure the C2S vs. GTS has a slightly wider body but it doesn't come anywhere near justifying it's massive premium either.
That said, the market is free to act however it would like. We're in a day and age where an entry level steel Nautilus costs more than a Perpetual Calendar in precious metal.
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What about the feel of a RWD GTS vs. a RWD C2S with powerkit?
Let's be honest, and I own a C4GTS myself, no matter how you slice the cake neither is materially better than the non-GTS counterpart. I paid what I thought to be a dumb premium when I bought my car because all the nice stick 997.2's were slipping out of my hands. That premium has only widenend since. Sure the C2S vs. GTS has a slightly wider body but it doesn't come anywhere near justifying it's massive premium either.
That said, the market is free to act however it would like. We're in a day and age where an entry level steel Nautilus costs more than a Perpetual Calendar in precious metal.
Let's be honest, and I own a C4GTS myself, no matter how you slice the cake neither is materially better than the non-GTS counterpart. I paid what I thought to be a dumb premium when I bought my car because all the nice stick 997.2's were slipping out of my hands. That premium has only widenend since. Sure the C2S vs. GTS has a slightly wider body but it doesn't come anywhere near justifying it's massive premium either.
That said, the market is free to act however it would like. We're in a day and age where an entry level steel Nautilus costs more than a Perpetual Calendar in precious metal.
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