Prices Keep Drifting Up
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#1788
Three Wheelin'
The people who think the engine shouldn't impact the price have never driven a car with a FSI engine. I took advantage of this quirk in the market and acquired my 997.2 4s FSI 4.0L Stage II at what was I believe FMV for a similar car with just a stock engine. One of the best decisions I have ever made. "Buy it when you can, not when you have to" is a common expression in my line of work. It applies to car buying as well to some degree.
I think its just the nature of anything aftermarket, its never going to bring back what you put into it. The real advantage of buying a 911 with an FSI engine in it is that you don't have to wait a year or longer to get one. That being said you still have to have a specific buyer, someone that wants a 911 in whatever spec the car is and an FSI engine. I don't think most potential 911 buyers are looking for a car with a different engine in it.
#1789
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I think its just the nature of anything aftermarket, its never going to bring back what you put into it. The real advantage of buying a 911 with an FSI engine in it is that you don't have to wait a year or longer to get one. That being said you still have to have a specific buyer, someone that wants a 911 in whatever spec the car is and an FSI engine. I don't think most potential 911 buyers are looking for a car with a different engine in it.
I have a spreadsheet of names of people that have contacted us looking for an FSI powered 996/997/Cayman/ Boxster. If any customers want to sell their car, and it meets the criteria the potential buyer is looking for, I do try to arrange a meeting between buyer & seller, as long as the seller is our original customer.
I don't charge for this, and refuse to accept money for it, since that puts me in the middle of a transaction, which for me is a disaster waiting to happen.
Last time I looked at the spreadsheet it had 60 names on it. Some have been there for two years waiting for the right generation/ color/ engine combination. At least 1/4 of them are looking for a 1999 white C2 coupe with black interior and an FSI Stage II Track Performer engine. That one is the unicorn.
In my experience, if you drive them hard, they will break. I currently need to get a third engine for my 2001 Base Carrera, the car is just too fun not to fix it. I wish the FSI Knowlege Group guys would advertise their work. A year or more to get a Raby Built FSI engine is a long time to wait.
The latter won't happen because my newest engine builder has been here for 16 years, and it takes years of training for anyone to earn the title. I have one employee who is about to earn the title after 8 years of working alongside me everyday performing my prep work, and helping me assemble and dyno test engines. After these 8 years he is almost ready. Find that anywhere else- you won't.
My longest time builder has been here 23 years, and he retires in 2024, so its time to advance someone.
If we built as many as we could, had a dozen people touching every engine, or mass produced things, we'd be like everyone else in the industry that is too busy for business, and the "Flat 6 Difference" wouldn't exist.
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I still wish I bought Apple stock when I was ten years old in 2000
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Porschetech3 (07-30-2021)
#1795
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Jakes Engines are out there
Recently a 3.8 I believe track performer two was sold by the original owner in Colorado. Car had cage and a bunch of GT3 mods. I dont know the final price number but he was asking $33K. As I told my mechanic and Tex Squirrel that was basically the cost of the engine. I got to talk to the owner because the add was In the PCA Market classifieds. Anyway I believe I was second or third in line. The Sale was closed Friday and yes I kept checking on it. I wish I would have seen it first. Yes I bought apple stock in 2009. I almost can buy a singer if I sell all my apple stock but I would never do that. By the way in addition to Factorys 408s with 993 part numbers My car has a Ducktail. Next project, trying to get an FVD X Pipe. Also refurbish that Driver side rear bent wheel. Happy Friday everyone.
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#1796
Former Vendor
Recently a 3.8 I believe track performer two was sold by the original owner in Colorado. Car had cage and a bunch of GT3 mods. I dont know the final price number but he was asking $33K. As I told my mechanic and Tex Squirrel that was basically the cost of the engine. I got to talk to the owner because the add was In the PCA Market classifieds. Anyway I believe I was second or third in line. The Sale was closed Friday and yes I kept checking on it. I wish I would have seen it first. Yes I bought apple stock in 2009. I almost can buy a singer if I sell all my apple stock but I would never do that. By the way in addition to Factorys 408s with 993 part numbers My car has a Ducktail. Next project, trying to get an FVD X Pipe. Also refurbish that Driver side rear bent wheel. Happy Friday everyone.
Just a few years ago a Stage I Track Performer would have been 21-22K, today with the Exclusive service including installation that number is 30K. Even at 30K its actually a better deal, since additional time in service has forced us to replace even more components.
I don't like to see cars that have my engines sell, that means someone new will get it, probably won't get my directives, and will goof it up. They will hang a bunch of non essential aftermarket BS on the engine, then they'll reach out for us to support it when it doesn't work. My support is only for the original purchaser, and support isn't even available for purchase.
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bdronsick (07-30-2021)
#1797
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Yes prices have gone up.
That owner bought the engine when they were a lot less money. Prices have only gone up, and will continue to- never down.
Just a few years ago a Stage I Track Performer would have been 21-22K, today with the Exclusive service including installation that number is 30K. Even at 30K its actually a better deal, since additional time in service has forced us to replace even more components.
I don't like to see cars that have my engines sell, that means someone new will get it, probably won't get my directives, and will goof it up. They will hang a bunch of non essential aftermarket BS on the engine, then they'll reach out for us to support it when it doesn't work. My support is only for the original purchaser, and support isn't even available for purchase.
Just a few years ago a Stage I Track Performer would have been 21-22K, today with the Exclusive service including installation that number is 30K. Even at 30K its actually a better deal, since additional time in service has forced us to replace even more components.
I don't like to see cars that have my engines sell, that means someone new will get it, probably won't get my directives, and will goof it up. They will hang a bunch of non essential aftermarket BS on the engine, then they'll reach out for us to support it when it doesn't work. My support is only for the original purchaser, and support isn't even available for purchase.
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bdronsick (07-30-2021)
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I’m 3/4 the jakes unicorn car glacier white space grey interior factory aero
but I’m saving some money to get the 3.8 stage II and it will never leave my sight unless I’m 6ft under it
Mike
but I’m saving some money to get the 3.8 stage II and it will never leave my sight unless I’m 6ft under it
Mike
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