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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 01:57 AM
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Would really like to know what hiding under that camo shift boot...

the plate (EV) tells something

Dashboard like the new Macan
No “key” to ignition
Exhaust not definitive

my two cents
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 911my22
the plate (EV) tells something

Dashboard like the new Macan
No “key” to ignition
Exhaust not definitive

my two cents
Paddle shifters behind the wheel are also a giveaway...

Edit: I have yet to see a single test mule with a manual. That's not nothing.

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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Schn3ll
Paddle shifters behind the wheel are also a giveaway...

@Schn3ll 👍 I noticed that as well.
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dchang81
I dunno f1 has been using KERS for a bit. If there was some other big way for progress I feel like it would have been done.
and is that drivetrain compatible with a manual transmission config?

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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 02:58 PM
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Not sure why people are that bothered about a mild hybrid when it will simply enhance the driving experience. Haven’t seen anyone complain about the holy trinity employing hybrid technology.

​​​​​​…. and why would you prefer turbo over NA (with hybrid) if the performance is comparable. Turbo is just lazy power.
It will do nothing to enhance driving experience - it’s strictly for EPA / emissions compliance. Just adds weight and complexity.
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by R N M
It will do nothing to enhance driving experience - it’s strictly for EPA / emissions compliance. Just adds weight and complexity.
And… more of a PITA for Porsche dealer techs to problem solve when an issue arises. In the beginning .2 owners will be Beta-testers.

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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by R N M
It will do nothing to enhance driving experience - it’s strictly for EPA / emissions compliance. Just adds weight and complexity.
But wasn't the introduction of turbos driven by emissions regs?
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by R N M
It will do nothing to enhance driving experience - it’s strictly for EPA / emissions compliance. Just adds weight and complexity.
Not necessarily true. I went from an F8 twin turbo V8 to a V6 hybrid 296 and the drive is a huge advancement. Power, handling, braking all taken into consideration. The acceleration and sound is mind-bending. It’s a great synergistic pairing.
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 04:23 PM
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Not necessarily true. I went from an F8 twin turbo V8 to a V6 hybrid 296 and the drive is a huge advancement. Power, handling, braking all taken into consideration. The acceleration and sound is mind-bending. It’s a great synergistic pairing.
Save your breath my friend.

Some will reverse engineer anything to justify their belief systems.
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Salj
Not necessarily true. I went from an F8 twin turbo V8 to a V6 hybrid 296 and the drive is a huge advancement. Power, handling, braking all taken into consideration. The acceleration and sound is mind-bending. It’s a great synergistic pairing.
The 296 has a plug in hybrid with a large battery and motor which add a lot of power/torque. The mild hybrid systems that Porsche is reportedly adding to these cars will do very little to improve performance. There will be a 911 hybrid with monster performance, but at a price point much closer to your 296.

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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by malba2366
The mild hybrid systems that Porsche is reportedly adding to these cars will do very little to improve performance.
Correct as there has not been a lot of gain over at BMW via their 48v mild hybridization. A.S.S. functions better. 🙄
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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by malba2366
The 296 has a plug in hybrid with a large battery and motor which add a lot of power/torque. The mild hybrid systems that Porsche is reportedly adding to these cars will do very little to improve performance. There will be a 911 hybrid with monster performance, but at a price point much closer to your 296.
Agreed.
And at what "cost" when it comes to added weight.

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Old Dec 29, 2023 | 06:26 PM
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Agreed.
And at what "cost" when it comes to added weight.
Very avid defenders of the status quo…
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Originally Posted by Salj
Very avid defenders of the status quo…
A.) This isn't a 296.
B.) Porsche has demonstrated a long history of progressive incremental change.

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Originally Posted by malba2366
The 296 has a plug in hybrid with a large battery and motor which add a lot of power/torque. The mild hybrid systems that Porsche is reportedly adding to these cars will do very little to improve performance. There will be a 911 hybrid with monster performance, but at a price point much closer to your 296.
How do you know this?

Even a mild hybrid system (like the one from BMW or MB) can be used either for torque fill and/or traction control.

And for what it’s worth the switch from NA to FI in the 991 generation at a minimum made the 911 a better daily driver with more low end torque, which for a dual purpose GT car like the 911 is a “performance” gain.

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