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Would really like to know what hiding under that camo shift boot...
Would really like to know what hiding under that camo shift boot...
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How do you know this?
Even a mild hybrid system (like the one from BMW or MB) can be used either for torque fill and/or traction control.
And for what it’s worth the switch from NA to FI in the 991 generation at a minimum made the 911 a better daily driver with more low end torque, which for a dual purpose GT car like the 911 is a “performance” gain.
Even a mild hybrid system (like the one from BMW or MB) can be used either for torque fill and/or traction control.
And for what it’s worth the switch from NA to FI in the 991 generation at a minimum made the 911 a better daily driver with more low end torque, which for a dual purpose GT car like the 911 is a “performance” gain.
This is all based on the article stating that the vehicles will have 48v hybrid systems...I have no knowledge whether or nor this is true.
There are limitations to the amount of horsepower a 48v system can put out...it is not going to put out the 160 horsepower or so that the system in the Ferrari 296 does. For example even if the small battery can deliver 500 amps of current, the maximum output (assuming 100% mechanical efficiency) is 32 horsepower. The entire existence of 48V systems is for compliance reasons, they became popular because they cost under $500, and they cut CO2 emissions by 10-15%. Higher voltage systems are better for performance, 48V systems are used because they dont require special precautions when manufacturing or servicing the vehicle.
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And for what it's worth, I put absolutely zero stock in the C&D reporting on the 2025 911 lineup. Anonymous dealership sources are not worth listening to.
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Not a single journalist who has driven an Artura or 296 agrees with you that the hybrid is ****ty. In fact, I've yet to read or watch an account of one of those two cars that doesn't absolutely gush about the driving experience.
And for what it's worth, I put absolutely zero stock in the C&D reporting on the 2025 911 lineup. Anonymous dealership sources are not worth listening to.
And for what it's worth, I put absolutely zero stock in the C&D reporting on the 2025 911 lineup. Anonymous dealership sources are not worth listening to.
I have not driven a 296 but its a long far fall from a 458 Italia. Nobody in their right
mind would choose 296 if they were both for sale now as new cars. The styling of the 458 is more modern to me than 296 as well.
The SF90 is another example of this. Yes its super capable and fast but has lost that special Ferrari soul.
As far as 992.2 - Yes C&D is clueless and all the dealer sources as well - i guess only you know the facts! Most ppl are reporting same things from various sources in Germany and US but we will not know everything until its official reveal. I think its pretty safe to presume that base with be untouched but rest of versions will get some sort of mild hybrid like most other German brands rolled out in their engine updates. Manuals will probably be more limited at least in the beginning as new engines roll out.
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Not one single journalist has enough ***** to say something negative these days. I drove an Artura and found nothing amazing about it. The motor sounds ok but nothing like the V8 it replaced. The EV mode is a joke, you basically need to put the thing in Sport to even realize you are in a Sports car as its dead quiet.
I have not driven a 296 but its a long far fall from a 458 Italia. Nobody in their right
mind would choose 296 if they were both for sale now as new cars. The styling of the 458 is more modern to me than 296 as well.
The SF90 is another example of this. Yes its super capable and fast but has lost that special Ferrari soul.
As far as 992.2 - Yes C&D is clueless and all the dealer sources as well - i guess only you know the facts! Most ppl are reporting same things from various sources in Germany and US but we will not know everything until its official reveal. I think its pretty safe to presume that base with be untouched but rest of versions will get some sort of mild hybrid like most other German brands rolled out in their engine updates. Manuals will probably be more limited at least in the beginning as new engines roll out.
I have not driven a 296 but its a long far fall from a 458 Italia. Nobody in their right
mind would choose 296 if they were both for sale now as new cars. The styling of the 458 is more modern to me than 296 as well.
The SF90 is another example of this. Yes its super capable and fast but has lost that special Ferrari soul.
As far as 992.2 - Yes C&D is clueless and all the dealer sources as well - i guess only you know the facts! Most ppl are reporting same things from various sources in Germany and US but we will not know everything until its official reveal. I think its pretty safe to presume that base with be untouched but rest of versions will get some sort of mild hybrid like most other German brands rolled out in their engine updates. Manuals will probably be more limited at least in the beginning as new engines roll out.
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Burning Brakes
Not one single journalist has enough ***** to say something negative these days. I drove an Artura and found nothing amazing about it. The motor sounds ok but nothing like the V8 it replaced. The EV mode is a joke, you basically need to put the thing in Sport to even realize you are in a Sports car as its dead quiet.
I have not driven a 296 but its a long far fall from a 458 Italia. Nobody in their right
mind would choose 296 if they were both for sale now as new cars. The styling of the 458 is more modern to me than 296 as well.
I have not driven a 296 but its a long far fall from a 458 Italia. Nobody in their right
mind would choose 296 if they were both for sale now as new cars. The styling of the 458 is more modern to me than 296 as well.
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Allow me to remind everyone that this entire thread is nothing but speculation, opinion, generalization and guesswork.
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why has noone mentioned the cupholders--that must change. i'm with harris, it's the worst.
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I pity the younger gen that want to deny something was great bec its old.
Go drive a 296 and 458 back to back then let me know which one you want.
Porsche knows what’s special that why they make cars like Sport Classic and S/T. Unfortunately these hybrids are driven by emissions requirements not engineering for greatness.
Go drive a 296 and 458 back to back then let me know which one you want.
Porsche knows what’s special that why they make cars like Sport Classic and S/T. Unfortunately these hybrids are driven by emissions requirements not engineering for greatness.
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The hv battery surely will have 400V technology, sit in the frunk floor and powers the e motor in the pdk bellhousing. No other battery location and battery power output will make sense. Electric power still limited to let's say somewhere 70-90ho and only short e range but e range isn't the major premise. By doing so a ac/ac converter will provide 48v for various ancillaries like the ac compressor etc.
What is on the hand is a electric supoorted turbo like mb amg does in the new C63 e performance. Single e supported turbo paired with the new 3.6 l from carrera s onwards. Wouldn't even expect the base model to be a na version but common 3L tt or 3.6L conventional turbo.
What is on the hand is a electric supoorted turbo like mb amg does in the new C63 e performance. Single e supported turbo paired with the new 3.6 l from carrera s onwards. Wouldn't even expect the base model to be a na version but common 3L tt or 3.6L conventional turbo.