992.2 Info
01-01-2024, 07:40 PM
#136
From the CAR article:
Inspired by the KERS technology used in F1, the software for the fast-charging 400-volt system was, we hear, co-developed by Porsche and Rimac. The T-HEV system fuses two electrical elements. According to a supplier, the integrated starter generator (ISG) creates an on-demand instant boost effect and drives the auxiliary equipment. The actual e-motor positioned under the fuel tank propels the front wheels and improves the weight distribution. The tiny battery which powers the compact electric drive unit is charged by the combustion engine and the brakes. For complexity reasons, a manual gearbox is not an option, sources say. The complete T-HEV module is claimed to weigh no more than 25kg.
Inspired by the KERS technology used in F1, the software for the fast-charging 400-volt system was, we hear, co-developed by Porsche and Rimac. The T-HEV system fuses two electrical elements. According to a supplier, the integrated starter generator (ISG) creates an on-demand instant boost effect and drives the auxiliary equipment. The actual e-motor positioned under the fuel tank propels the front wheels and improves the weight distribution. The tiny battery which powers the compact electric drive unit is charged by the combustion engine and the brakes. For complexity reasons, a manual gearbox is not an option, sources say. The complete T-HEV module is claimed to weigh no more than 25kg.
Further down in the article it states
"..The Carrera S and GTS will also adopt a 48-volt hybrid system..."
The article is a mess. It implies that that T-HEV system will only be in a higher end trim. The S and GTS models can not have both the T-HEV and a 48V hybrid system If the T-HEV system ends up in the S/GTS that also means the end of RWD and the end of manual transmissions, and I would assume Porsche will also charge a pretty penny for such a system so there will be big price increases.
01-01-2024, 07:41 PM
#137
now a nicely loaded S is 170k EASY
When the new 992.2 GTS is out with 3.6NA engine, it will be at least 160k MSRP maybe a bit more. And with options 200k
That’s a joke.
eventfully they will stack in the dealership lots
01-01-2024, 08:24 PM
#138
a 991.2 S back in 2018 was 85k very slightly used like 4K miles same year production, from from 115k MSRP decently loaded
now a nicely loaded S is 170k EASY
When the new 992.2 GTS is out with 3.6NA engine, it will be at least 160k MSRP maybe a bit more. And with options 200k
That’s a joke.
eventfully they will stack in the dealership lots
now a nicely loaded S is 170k EASY
When the new 992.2 GTS is out with 3.6NA engine, it will be at least 160k MSRP maybe a bit more. And with options 200k
That’s a joke.
eventfully they will stack in the dealership lots
01-01-2024, 09:06 PM
#139
a 991.2 S back in 2018 was 85k very slightly used like 4K miles same year production, from from 115k MSRP decently loaded
now a nicely loaded S is 170k EASY
When the new 992.2 GTS is out with 3.6NA engine, it will be at least 160k MSRP maybe a bit more. And with options 200k
That’s a joke.
eventfully they will stack in the dealership lots
now a nicely loaded S is 170k EASY
When the new 992.2 GTS is out with 3.6NA engine, it will be at least 160k MSRP maybe a bit more. And with options 200k
That’s a joke.
eventfully they will stack in the dealership lots
2024 911 C@S has MSRP of 131300
Cumulative inflation from 2018-2023 is 22.3%.
The price of the car, new at MSRP, has not climbed significantly faster than inflation. The used car market is a different matter, but used prices will eventually normalize.
Last edited by malba2366; 01-01-2024 at 09:07 PM.
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01-01-2024, 10:13 PM
#140
I mean an M4 is 100k these days. Mustangs are too, Not sure what people would substitute in the 150k range. But I do see some people questioning the value when there are some pretty good cars up there in the 200’s. I know I wouldn’t be a GTS buyer at 200. For a bit more you can get into something truly special.
01-01-2024, 10:48 PM
#141
01-04-2024, 02:08 PM
#142
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Per the new P-Car Talk Podcast, they provided the following information and claim it's verified. This information does not completely align with the C&D article.
Porsche's 992.2 Engine Developments:
Breaking news on the 992.2 engines: The 3.0 turbo in the base Carrera getting a power boost to 390 hp. Return of the 3.6-liter engine, slated for the Carrera S and GTS models, accompanied by a 48-volt non plug-in hybrid motor. Porsche's bold move: 3.6 expected to replace the 4.0 in the GT3 and GT3 RS models. Insights into Porsche's long-term strategy, hinting at the 3.0L becoming the primary power plant for future hybrid endeavors. Hybrid GT Cars on the Horizon:
Speculations and analysis on the potential hybridization of GT cars, utilizing the 3.6L flat 6 motor for future models. Unpacking the implications of Porsche's vision for hybrid technology in their iconic GT lineup.
Breaking news on the 992.2 engines: The 3.0 turbo in the base Carrera getting a power boost to 390 hp. Return of the 3.6-liter engine, slated for the Carrera S and GTS models, accompanied by a 48-volt non plug-in hybrid motor. Porsche's bold move: 3.6 expected to replace the 4.0 in the GT3 and GT3 RS models. Insights into Porsche's long-term strategy, hinting at the 3.0L becoming the primary power plant for future hybrid endeavors. Hybrid GT Cars on the Horizon:
Speculations and analysis on the potential hybridization of GT cars, utilizing the 3.6L flat 6 motor for future models. Unpacking the implications of Porsche's vision for hybrid technology in their iconic GT lineup.
01-04-2024, 02:17 PM
#143
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This seems to be the most plausible theory thus far. IF this is true, the GTS and S will definitely not have a manual option.
01-04-2024, 02:35 PM
#144
I'm confused, if they are committing to the 3.0 as primary power plant for hybrid endeavors, why move S/GTS to 3.6? That's contradictory, right? Why not just attach 48c to current configuration and get the differentiation over Base and current config you need?
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01-04-2024, 02:44 PM
#145
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Porsche is moving to the GTS to a bigger engine, because the 992.1 GTS powertrain was mechanically identical to the 992 S models. It was differentiated only by a tune. As my folks have pointed out (including YouTubers like Nick Murrary), the 992 GTS is not as "special" as prior 911 GTS cars. It looks like Porsche is going to fix that with the 992.2.
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01-04-2024, 02:44 PM
#146
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Just my speculation. Maybe has to do with the current level of performance of the 48v hybrid system. Technology improvements in the future may allow the smaller displacement of the 3.0ltr, without a negative performance impact. Plus, maybe they figured they'll need the 3.6 as a foundation for the future GT and "Turbo" models anyway.
Last edited by chriswd62; 01-04-2024 at 02:46 PM.
01-04-2024, 02:51 PM
#147
Lots of rumors out there. Some of this mess may be due to the initial Euro 7 regulations which the 3.0 would not be able to meet. Specifically the larger displacement lower compression is needed to meet those initial NOx limits, those standards were later relaxed.
I find it hard to believe that they will use the similar motors in the S, GTS, Turbo and GT cars…it will make those higher priced cars much less special.
I find it hard to believe that they will use the similar motors in the S, GTS, Turbo and GT cars…it will make those higher priced cars much less special.
01-04-2024, 02:53 PM
#148
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Hold my beer. Getting a YouTube channel up so people believe what I say.
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01-04-2024, 03:03 PM
#149
01-04-2024, 03:21 PM
#150
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It is certainly the newest theory, but recency does not make for plausibility.
Not trying to argumentative, but just genuinely curious.