992.2 Info
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Well the first official info we've seen in a long time is a few posts above that hybridization will come to the GTS, Turbo and Turbo S.... so I'd assume manuals will definitely still be on the table for non hybrid models.
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Unless 48v on the other models happens to prohibit that.
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We know Porsche is working on synthetic fuels.
The article mentions that cars that use synthetic fuels will be exempt from EU’s ban on harmful emissions vehicles.
But I don’t quite get how this would work?
I doubt that, if I buy a 911, Porsche will deliver me gallons of synthetic fuel each week?!
Would it be like carbon offsets? In other words, if Porsche produces and sells X gallons of synthetic fuel, they will be allowed to produce and sell Y number of “polluting” vehicles?
Also consider that the synthetic fuel may be sold in a completely different region or market than where the car is sold. Thus, the carbon-neutral benefit of the fuel would not help in the region where the “polluting” cars are actually used.
At the end of the day, most consumers would still be fueling their vehicles with non-renewable petrol/gasoline (which I assume will continue to be cheaper than the synthetic variants).
So what does this achieve?
The article mentions that cars that use synthetic fuels will be exempt from EU’s ban on harmful emissions vehicles.
But I don’t quite get how this would work?
I doubt that, if I buy a 911, Porsche will deliver me gallons of synthetic fuel each week?!
Would it be like carbon offsets? In other words, if Porsche produces and sells X gallons of synthetic fuel, they will be allowed to produce and sell Y number of “polluting” vehicles?
Also consider that the synthetic fuel may be sold in a completely different region or market than where the car is sold. Thus, the carbon-neutral benefit of the fuel would not help in the region where the “polluting” cars are actually used.
At the end of the day, most consumers would still be fueling their vehicles with non-renewable petrol/gasoline (which I assume will continue to be cheaper than the synthetic variants).
So what does this achieve?
Porsche's foray into synthetic fuels will go the same way of the Apple Car.
Dead before arrival.
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Latest public numbers show that Porsche has produced less than 300,000 litres of eFuels in its new plant in Chile. The plant has been operating for 2 years now.
By comparison, the UK alone, one little country with a population less than 68M in 2023, consumed more than 15 billion liters of gasoline in 2023.
At this rate, Porsche couldn't even produce enough eFuels for the 1% in the UK alone, much less rest of the world.
By comparison, the UK alone, one little country with a population less than 68M in 2023, consumed more than 15 billion liters of gasoline in 2023.
At this rate, Porsche couldn't even produce enough eFuels for the 1% in the UK alone, much less rest of the world.
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Latest public numbers show that Porsche has produced less than 300,000 litres of eFuels in its new plant in Chile. The plant has been operating for 2 years now.
By comparison, the UK alone, one little country with a population less than 68M in 2023, consumed more than 15 billion liters of gasoline in 2023.
By comparison, the UK alone, one little country with a population less than 68M in 2023, consumed more than 15 billion liters of gasoline in 2023.
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Well sure, the current eFuel initiative is a trial. The idea would be that the established gasoline refiners would see a market for lets say, $10 gasoline, and produce/distribute it at a profit. The middle class will be forced into Chinese made EVs through government mandate - because that's all they will be able to afford. People who can afford to stay in the ICE market, would do so through $10 a gallon eFuels.
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https://www.motortrend.com/news/pors...ign=registered
Motor Trend article discussing Porsche comments in its annual report regarding 992.2.
Motor Trend article discussing Porsche comments in its annual report regarding 992.2.
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This AutoCar article out today says the 992.2 e-911 will be out this summer.
A few pictures as well and it says the e-911 will have both an electric motor driving the front wheels as well as a 48V motor in the PDK Gearbox.
So we'll see I guess.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ed-summer-2024
A few pictures as well and it says the e-911 will have both an electric motor driving the front wheels as well as a 48V motor in the PDK Gearbox.
So we'll see I guess.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ed-summer-2024
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I bet Porsche does a similar line up to that of what Corvette just did:
Stingray = Normal 911 - Base, T, S, Targa all the same engines
E-Ray = E-911 takes the base engine and adds electric regen motors to the front axle or wheels or copies the outgoing NSX. So 4S, Targa 4S
Z06 - GT3, GT3RS, S/T
ZR1 - Turbo, Turbo S, GT2
Stingray = Normal 911 - Base, T, S, Targa all the same engines
E-Ray = E-911 takes the base engine and adds electric regen motors to the front axle or wheels or copies the outgoing NSX. So 4S, Targa 4S
Z06 - GT3, GT3RS, S/T
ZR1 - Turbo, Turbo S, GT2
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This AutoCar article out today says the 992.2 e-911 will be out this summer.
A few pictures as well and it says the e-911 will have both an electric motor driving the front wheels as well as a 48V motor in the PDK Gearbox.
So we'll see I guess.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ed-summer-2024
A few pictures as well and it says the e-911 will have both an electric motor driving the front wheels as well as a 48V motor in the PDK Gearbox.
So we'll see I guess.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ed-summer-2024
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The full hybrid is the THEV. Now it says that the base trims "may" get the 48V mild system, or they may not. You can also see the template here for the 994 - all the cars will be "Carrera 4" variants, the 2WD 911 will be history, with electric drive up front as standard at that point. No mention in the article about how much weight the electric package adds.