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Remember in Europe and maybe other non european countries there are direct dealers and there is no PCNA in the middle. Also the factory has to do a production schedule and allocations and this is done months in advance. For example the Cayenne 9y0.2 configurator came up in April but the internal dealer configurator was available two months before and dealers would actually specify and sell and allocate cars from that February. And in February they exactly how many cars and specific model they were getting each month. And the official delivery date was end of July so this process started almost 6 months in advance.
It's not uncommon for the US to be several months behind the European launch and product cycle too or to be without the next iteration immediately available after the end of life of the predecessor.
Just for info this is what I posted around September which was the last time I looked seriously into the car. A couple of other sources had the same info also so I dont thing these will change:
Gts will be hybrid and output 540bhp. Same for S but 510bhp
Just for info this is what I posted around September which was the last time I looked seriously into the car. A couple of other sources had the same info also so I dont thing these will change:
Gts will be hybrid and output 540bhp. Same for S but 510bhp
This would be the most hp increase in the history of Porsche.
991.1 GTS : 430 hp
991.2 GTS : 444 hp
992 GTS : 473 hp
Facelift had a very small power bump, 2% followed by a brand new body of 8%. This 540hp figure would mean a whopping 15% increase. This is crazy. That would mean a 100+ hp increase for Turbo S. And potentially an 850 hp GT2RS. Porsche isnt Ferrari or Corvette, they arent big on horsepower game.
This would be the most hp increase in the history of Porsche.
991.1 GTS : 430 hp
991.2 GTS : 444 hp
992 GTS : 473 hp
Facelift had a very small power bump, 2% followed by a brand new body of 8%. This 540hp figure would mean a whopping 15% increase. This is crazy. That would mean a 100+ hp increase for Turbo S. And potentially an 850 hp GT2RS. Porsche isnt Ferrari or Corvette, they arent big on horsepower game.
I know but it was on an official doc. Maybe they sent fake info to create rumours? - I don't really know if they do this. Or of they send something as precise as this - doc included dates also - and then they change specs - highly unlikely.
It is crazy and if it is true then the gts will sell purely based on that and everybody will forget it is mild hybrid.
The other strange thing is why to delay the carrera s for 2025 launch. It does not make much sense unless there are huge differences to the GTS.
I know but it was on an official doc. Maybe they sent fake info to create rumours? - I don't really know if they do this. Or of they send something as precise as this - doc included dates also - and then they change specs - highly unlikely.
It is crazy and if it is true then the gts will sell purely based on that and everybody will forget it is mild hybrid.
The other strange thing is why to delay the carrera s for 2025 launch. It does not make much sense unless there are huge differences to the GTS.
Show us a picture of simply the corner of this document, not the whole document, but proof that such document “might” exist so that we believe some of what you say. You have been here 1 month and you have magically seen this top secret document that my GM hasnt seen yet and I am talking about 1 of handful premier dealers in the US. Porsche is known to make very small increments in power. When they have gone from naturally aspirated to turbo charged, the power went up 8% also. They seem to follow the 2% facelift to 8% major body style change cycle. Germans are known to be OCD in symmetry and math, I dont see them breaking pattern here and increase power mid cycle 7 fold of what they usually do.
Take a look at every release of 911, major version vs minor version. Beginning 997.1 to 992.1. They have always alternated between 2% of power increase to 8% like clock work. Thats for GTS at least. Why do this unless they plan to make GTS the new Turbo and Turbo S becomes some animal larger hybrid massive horsepower car but it makes no sense. Turbo S doesnt need more power. It doesnt need more weight.
Show us a picture of simply the corner of this document, not the whole document, but proof that such document “might” exist so that we believe some of what you say. You have been here 1 month and you have magically seen this top secret document that my GM hasnt seen yet and I am talking about 1 of handful premier dealers in the US. Porsche is known to make very small increments in power. When they have gone from naturally aspirated to turbo charged, the power went up 8% also. They seem to follow the 2% facelift to 8% major body style change cycle. Germans are known to be OCD in symmetry and math, I dont see them breaking pattern here and increase power mid cycle 7 fold of what they usually do.
Take a look at every release of 911, major version vs minor version. Beginning 997.1 to 992.1. They have always alternated between 2% of power increase to 8% like clock work. Thats for GTS at least. Why do this unless they plan to make GTS the new Turbo and Turbo S becomes some animal larger hybrid massive horsepower car but it makes no sense. Turbo S doesnt need more power. It doesnt need more weight.
Look I do not want to offend anyone. I have been here one year, not one month, but I am not sure how this matters.
It is fine if you do not believe me, I am just posting quite credible info to help people take decisions.
Check some of my posts on the cayenne forum and when I posted the new options 2 months before release when I locked my car. Or that I got one of the first hybrids in europe in october. Not boasting just explaining that I only try to provide credible info - because of a close porsche relationship - to help people here know more and think about their futurw purchase. Or dont check my posts it does not really matter.
The only way to confirm is credible dealers like @Jasonamayes or @C.J. Ichiban to casually confirm my info. No reason to say more.
Look I do not want to offend anyone. I have been here one year, not one month, but I am not sure how this matters.
It is fine if you do not believe me, I am just posting quite credible info to help people take decisions.
Check some of my posts on the cayenne forum and when I posted the new options 2 months before release when I locked my car. Or that I got one of the first hybrids in europe in october. Not boasting just explaining that I only try to provide credible info - because of a close porsche relationship - to help people here know more and think about their futurw purchase. Or dont check my posts it does not really matter.
The only way to confirm is credible dealers like @Jasonamayes or @C.J. Ichiban to casually confirm my info. No reason to say more.
I’m sorry I do not believe you due to reasons I posted above. You are ultimately suggesting Porsche abandon their product roll out strategy of many decades to be more like a Ferrari with big hp numbers. 911 GTS never made more power than GT3. Thats a rule Porsche never broke. Your suggestion is contrary to that.
Maybe you saw Cayenne GTS document that said its 540 hp which is plausible if Cayenne Turbo is eliminated.
Yeah I'm actually optimistic that the powertrain changes are going to be awesome.
I also think .2 car styling changes always age well.. so even though I think the fins aren't that attractive now I really like the side of the rear bumper and ultimately I'm sure I'll like the visual updates because despite first impressions I almost always do.
BUT.... the move to a digital tach is a downgrade for me. Its the one thing that nobody will ever convince me is better.
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