New Nick Murray Video - S vs GTS
12-27-2022, 11:08 AM
#271
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Unless you also get unlimited cars from Porsche and enjoy free service and upkeep, I don't think it's a valid comparison. Those cars are destined for a short enjoyable life at the Experience Centers.
12-27-2022, 11:27 AM
#272
Just at a Porsche experience driving event. They had 992’s with under 500 miles and we beat the hell out of them, red line all day on the track.I think the break in 2k miles was relevant 10 years ago but with the level of machine automation and the quality of the parts in these cars now, I think 3-4 full tanks of gas and you’re fine.I know a guy who was so nervous about the break in period that he would not ever come close to getting over 4K rpms until he hit 2k miles - then he traded in the car in about 500 miles afterwards. When you buy secondhand you have no idea but the original owner did during the first couple thousand miles. All I could say is on my previous Porsche purchases the dealer didn’t say anything about breaking the car in whatsoever.
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12-27-2022, 01:24 PM
#273
Looks like this thread is becoming the place to rehash every Porsche argument of the last couple of decades.
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12-27-2022, 01:26 PM
#274
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Yeah, back on track. Nick, S, GTS.
I always do the opposite of everything Nick.
That’s why as soon as I get my car, I’m going to have it driven by a gorilla with a Nick plush in the back.
Defiance at all costs.
I always do the opposite of everything Nick.
That’s why as soon as I get my car, I’m going to have it driven by a gorilla with a Nick plush in the back.
Defiance at all costs.
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12-27-2022, 01:29 PM
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12-27-2022, 02:14 PM
#276
Burning Brakes
12-27-2022, 03:20 PM
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12-27-2022, 03:37 PM
#278
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That’s the problem though, there really isn’t any good referenced data or articles on break in procedures. You have the one Porsche employee from the factory in that article. Then just about every other Porsche person I’ve talked to or read from on the subject contradicts it. From AP to dealer sales/tech etc and Porsche’s own Experience Centers obviously don’t follow their own or any break in procedures. Porsche still CPOs them though so that has some merit in this conversation. Bottom line (like oil) do what you want and in the long run it will most likely mean nothing in the long term health of the car. There certainly isn’t any hard data on either.
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12-27-2022, 03:42 PM
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12-27-2022, 04:46 PM
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That’s the problem though, there really isn’t any good referenced data or articles on break in procedures. You have the one Porsche employee from the factory in that article. Then just about every other Porsche person I’ve talked to or read from on the subject contradicts it. From AP to dealer sales/tech etc and Porsche’s own Experience Centers obviously don’t follow their own or any break in procedures. Porsche still CPOs them though so that has some merit in this conversation. Bottom line (like oil) do what you want and in the long run it will most likely mean nothing in the long term health of the car. There certainly isn’t any hard data on either.
And if I’m honest, part of the reason I love the 911 buying experience is because each go-around is like another chance to configure the goldilocks car.
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12-27-2022, 05:44 PM
#284
Burning Brakes
That's an old chestnut. The other is Preuninger's recommendation quoted on RL from a video. I normally try to avoid these break in discussions, but this thread is so off the rails, what the hell....
I videoed AP's presentation, and here is what he said:
"I can only tell you how I personally do it, or how we do it at Weissach – for the first 500 kilometres or 300 miles, we don’t drive that car car ever over 5000 rpm, never. From then on, every 200 kilometres, we up the rpms by 500, so we end up at 1300, 1400 kilometres at the threshold before we can really go full throttle, at 800 or 900 miles."
He then went on that this procedure was really important for the GT3 RS engines given their more «delicate» rings - and how important this break in really is for any of their engines.
I'm not sure who originally transcribed this. It may be fake news for all I know, but it's been passed around RL for years.
I don't personally believe in these super long break ins - what I've always done just happens to align closest with what AP does. Keep it light for a couple tanks then start to open It up over a couple more. Done by about 800 miles.
I videoed AP's presentation, and here is what he said:
"I can only tell you how I personally do it, or how we do it at Weissach – for the first 500 kilometres or 300 miles, we don’t drive that car car ever over 5000 rpm, never. From then on, every 200 kilometres, we up the rpms by 500, so we end up at 1300, 1400 kilometres at the threshold before we can really go full throttle, at 800 or 900 miles."
He then went on that this procedure was really important for the GT3 RS engines given their more «delicate» rings - and how important this break in really is for any of their engines.
I'm not sure who originally transcribed this. It may be fake news for all I know, but it's been passed around RL for years.
I don't personally believe in these super long break ins - what I've always done just happens to align closest with what AP does. Keep it light for a couple tanks then start to open It up over a couple more. Done by about 800 miles.
Interestingly, the GT3 and GT4RS owners manual specifies driving below 7000rpm during the first 1500km or 930 miles.
Other models of 911 specify below 4000rpm during the first 3000km or 2000mi.
This is the best reference we have and Porsche are too precise not to keep the OM updated regularly.
Obviously the crew at the PEC will not mention it, as they will have to explain why they ignore it and rip the new cars around the track.
12-27-2022, 07:19 PM
#285
Interestingly, the GT3 and GT4RS owners manual specifies driving below 7000rpm during the first 1500km or 930 miles.
Other models of 911 specify below 4000rpm during the first 3000km or 2000mi.
This is the best reference we have and Porsche are too precise not to keep the OM updated regularly.
Obviously the crew at the PEC will not mention it, as they will have to explain why they ignore it and rip the new cars around the track.
Other models of 911 specify below 4000rpm during the first 3000km or 2000mi.
This is the best reference we have and Porsche are too precise not to keep the OM updated regularly.
Obviously the crew at the PEC will not mention it, as they will have to explain why they ignore it and rip the new cars around the track.