New Nick Murray Video - S vs GTS
12-29-2022, 04:09 PM
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12-29-2022, 04:11 PM
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12-29-2022, 04:51 PM
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12-29-2022, 05:26 PM
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Well, with this thread approaching 350 posts, I think we can safely say that Nick M has managed to amplify a 10-minute video about a thousandfold. I'm sure if someone pinged him, he could be convinced to do a second YouTube video about this actual thread. And then we could have a series of super meta arguments about that video as well.
12-29-2022, 05:38 PM
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Well, with this thread approaching 350 posts, I think we can safely say that Nick M has managed to amplify a 10-minute video about a thousandfold. I'm sure if someone pinged him, he could be convinced to do a second YouTube video about this actual thread. And then we could have a series of super meta arguments about that video as well.
I still haven't watched it.
12-29-2022, 05:45 PM
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That's not my point, although I'm quite sure the thread IS generating views for his video. it would be very odd to assume it isn't. Anyway, my point is that one fairly innocuous video, under 10 minutes in length, has produced such a wide-ranging, and often downright hostile discussion - that's what I mean by amplified.
12-29-2022, 06:22 PM
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12-29-2022, 07:09 PM
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Well, this was an interesting experiment with a sample of two. It all depends on the time horizon.
I remember in the 1980’s we used to do Failure Mode Analysis, measuring the number of warranty repairs per 100 cars shipped and under warranty period. Then in the 90’s Japanese showed us how it’s done, with repairs per 1000 units. That was an order of magnitude diff! Today, most auto makers use six sigma methods with a target of 3.4 defects per million units. Please explain how the test with sample of two proves anything?
Is the warranty period over after the 1000, or 10000, or 100,000 miles? I suspect that the authors of the videos and posts above have a different time horizon in mind.
People that intend to keep their vehicle for 5-10-15 years without major problems will take better care of their cars. And let’s not forget that if the green lobby group wins, one of these days we will not be able to buy a new P-car with flat-6-motor and howl it, so well looked after vehicles will be highly desirable. Service and repairs records are online, it will be fairly transparent who used it properly and who abused it.
I remember in the 1980’s we used to do Failure Mode Analysis, measuring the number of warranty repairs per 100 cars shipped and under warranty period. Then in the 90’s Japanese showed us how it’s done, with repairs per 1000 units. That was an order of magnitude diff! Today, most auto makers use six sigma methods with a target of 3.4 defects per million units. Please explain how the test with sample of two proves anything?
Is the warranty period over after the 1000, or 10000, or 100,000 miles? I suspect that the authors of the videos and posts above have a different time horizon in mind.
People that intend to keep their vehicle for 5-10-15 years without major problems will take better care of their cars. And let’s not forget that if the green lobby group wins, one of these days we will not be able to buy a new P-car with flat-6-motor and howl it, so well looked after vehicles will be highly desirable. Service and repairs records are online, it will be fairly transparent who used it properly and who abused it.
Nice, you went all sciencey/smart on us, then some leaps of logic with a dash of politics all in one post. You’ve got this internet thing down!
So hit us with your data that following the manual (which region?) supports your assertions. Also, what is your definition of abuse?
So hit us with your data that following the manual (which region?) supports your assertions. Also, what is your definition of abuse?
I don’t want to argue, I am just sharing my personal knowledge and industry experience to encourage usage that will increase the reliability of the vehicle over +100,000 miles.
I have many war stories and interesting details to share over a pint of beer, but not in a public forum. I don’t want to argue with quick-witted slicks.
Wishing you great motoring experience, while we can.
I have many war stories and interesting details to share over a pint of beer, but not in a public forum. I don’t want to argue with quick-witted slicks.
Wishing you great motoring experience, while we can.
What I would like to see is two engines broken in in completely different fashions -- i.e., one by the book and another with WOT on day 1 -- and have the compression and leak-down tested at 10k, 20k, 50k, etc. with (and here's the kicker) each engine run the same exact same way during those 10k, 20k, 50k, etc. miles.
Unless we can have a completely controlled experiment of that kind, regardless of the sample size, engine analysis or oil analysis of different engines broken in differently are entirely meaningless as there are simply too many variable unaccounted for. Were both engines driven the same way (daily driver versus track?), did both engines receive the same oil change intervals and use the same type of oil, were both engines operated in the same climate, etc.
Until we have evidence of that type, I will continue to reserve judgment and opinion on whether "break in" is (1) necessary and (2) if it is, what type of break in procedure is appropriate.
Cheers.
(And, yes, I guess I am a "stupid person" and a "pig" ... at least according to some of the fine contributors on this thread.
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12-29-2022, 08:30 PM
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I would imagine the effect(s) of an "easy" versus a "spirited" break-in would:
A.) Not be something most original owners would experience. More likely to be the later owners that "might" see any of the benefits or the expenses.
B.) Happen so far in the future of the vehicle, that it would be difficult if not impossible to draw any empirical conclusions.
I tend to follow the manufacturers recommendations. I do this mainly because it's easy enough to do, it makes sense to me logically, and there's a period of time when I'm just getting familiar with the car or motorcycle.
A.) Not be something most original owners would experience. More likely to be the later owners that "might" see any of the benefits or the expenses.
B.) Happen so far in the future of the vehicle, that it would be difficult if not impossible to draw any empirical conclusions.
I tend to follow the manufacturers recommendations. I do this mainly because it's easy enough to do, it makes sense to me logically, and there's a period of time when I'm just getting familiar with the car or motorcycle.
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12-30-2022, 12:57 AM
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12-30-2022, 02:31 AM
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same here. I wouldn’t have bought a base 992 if it weren’t his videos and him personally helping me. I loved his videos and even he didn’t like base I had no problem with it and still love my car and his videos!
He is the worst, I never watch that nonsense either.
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