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Old 12-27-2022 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hai Blau GTS
They had 992’s with under 500 miles and we beat the hell out of them, red line all day on the track.

Unless you also get unlimited cars from Porsche and enjoy free service and upkeep, I don't think it's a valid comparison. Those cars are destined for a short enjoyable life at the Experience Centers.
Old 12-27-2022 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hai Blau GTS
Just at a Porsche experience driving event. They had 992’s with under 500 miles and we beat the hell out of them, red line all day on the track.I think the break in 2k miles was relevant 10 years ago but with the level of machine automation and the quality of the parts in these cars now, I think 3-4 full tanks of gas and you’re fine.I know a guy who was so nervous about the break in period that he would not ever come close to getting over 4K rpms until he hit 2k miles - then he traded in the car in about 500 miles afterwards. When you buy secondhand you have no idea but the original owner did during the first couple thousand miles. All I could say is on my previous Porsche purchases the dealer didn’t say anything about breaking the car in whatsoever.
4 tanks of gas is about 1,500+ miles. And my SA told me to do it on both my cars... maybe because he knew I keep my cars forever??? Everyone is different. No big deal.
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Looks like this thread is becoming the place to rehash every Porsche argument of the last couple of decades.
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Old 12-27-2022 | 01:26 PM
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Yeah, back on track. Nick, S, GTS.

I always do the opposite of everything Nick.

That’s why as soon as I get my car, I’m going to have it driven by a gorilla with a Nick plush in the back.

Defiance at all costs.
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Old 12-27-2022 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
Looks like this thread is becoming the place to rehash every Porsche argument of the last couple of decades.
Might as well turn it into an oil thread to……….
Old 12-27-2022 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
Looks like this thread is becoming the place to rehash every Porsche argument of the last couple of decades.

Well referenced arguments would be useful.

Generalisations, like every car or agricultural equipment I ever had… not so much 🤦‍♂️
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Originally Posted by bluelines1974
Looks like this thread is becoming the place to rehash every Porsche argument of the last couple of decades.
I heard the sport response button increases boost, manual owners lost out on the fun....Discuss....
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Old 12-27-2022 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pivot
Well referenced arguments would be useful.

Generalisations, like every car or agricultural equipment I ever had… not so much 🤦‍♂️
That’s the problem though, there really isn’t any good referenced data or articles on break in procedures. You have the one Porsche employee from the factory in that article. Then just about every other Porsche person I’ve talked to or read from on the subject contradicts it. From AP to dealer sales/tech etc and Porsche’s own Experience Centers obviously don’t follow their own or any break in procedures. Porsche still CPOs them though so that has some merit in this conversation. Bottom line (like oil) do what you want and in the long run it will most likely mean nothing in the long term health of the car. There certainly isn’t any hard data on either.

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Originally Posted by 22992
I heard the sport response button increases boost, manual owners lost out on the fun....Discuss....
Completely transforms the car, night and day, makes it “special.”
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Originally Posted by 22992
I heard the sport response button increases boost, manual owners lost out on the fun....Discuss....

How about that matrix light activation? Discuss.
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How about that matrix light activation? Discuss.
You mean lack of activation.
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Originally Posted by minn19
That’s the problem though, there really isn’t any good referenced data or articles on break in procedures. You have the one Porsche employee from the factory in that article. Then just about every other Porsche person I’ve talked to or read from on the subject contradicts it. From AP to dealer sales/tech etc and Porsche’s own Experience Centers obviously don’t follow their own or any break in procedures. Porsche still CPOs them though so that has some merit in this conversation. Bottom line (like oil) do what you want and in the long run it will most likely mean nothing in the long term health of the car. There certainly isn’t any hard data on either.
More to the point, even with hard data, a contingent would argue passionately on the other side of the debate. My personal theory is that because Porsche allows such a high level of customization/ personalization, it encourages a level of over thinking that is not present with most other brands. It’s further exacerbated by Porsche offering many options that fall within the general bucket of performance enhancements. Surely a car with PDCC, RAS, PCCB MUST be better?! And by extension those who don’t get these options must be heretics. Or those who do get them are heretics for somehow diluting the purity of the car’s dynamics. Or one option is for true believers and the others for heretics, and so on ad infinitum. All for cars that, if we’re honest, most of us never come close to being good enough drivers to get to 60% of their capabilities.

And if I’m honest, part of the reason I love the 911 buying experience is because each go-around is like another chance to configure the goldilocks car.
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Originally Posted by minn19
You mean lack of activation.

What? Your dealership didn’t activate? 😎 Discuss?
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Old 12-27-2022 | 05:44 PM
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That's an old chestnut. The other is Preuninger's recommendation quoted on RL from a video. I normally try to avoid these break in discussions, but this thread is so off the rails, what the hell....

I videoed AP's presentation, and here is what he said:
"I can only tell you how I personally do it, or how we do it at Weissach – for the first 500 kilometres or 300 miles, we don’t drive that car car ever over 5000 rpm, never. From then on, every 200 kilometres, we up the rpms by 500, so we end up at 1300, 1400 kilometres at the threshold before we can really go full throttle, at 800 or 900 miles."
He then went on that this procedure was really important for the GT3 RS engines given their more «delicate» rings - and how important this break in really is for any of their engines.


I'm not sure who originally transcribed this. It may be fake news for all I know, but it's been passed around RL for years.

I don't personally believe in these super long break ins - what I've always done just happens to align closest with what AP does. Keep it light for a couple tanks then start to open It up over a couple more. Done by about 800 miles.

Interestingly, the GT3 and GT4RS owners manual specifies driving below 7000rpm during the first 1500km or 930 miles.
Other models of 911 specify below 4000rpm during the first 3000km or 2000mi.

This is the best reference we have and Porsche are too precise not to keep the OM updated regularly.

Obviously the crew at the PEC will not mention it, as they will have to explain why they ignore it and rip the new cars around the track.
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Originally Posted by Pivot
Interestingly, the GT3 and GT4RS owners manual specifies driving below 7000rpm during the first 1500km or 930 miles.
Other models of 911 specify below 4000rpm during the first 3000km or 2000mi.

This is the best reference we have and Porsche are too precise not to keep the OM updated regularly.

Obviously the crew at the PEC will not mention it, as they will have to explain why they ignore it and rip the new cars around the track.
It’s not the most scientifically rigorous thing - probably because there isn’t a hard answer. There are likely several acceptable methods of break in and what is advised in the OM is whatever is easiest to explain. There is no way Porsche would include AP’s break in regimen. Your average civilian would be utterly confused. That said, the result is effectively the same - break it in over 700 miles before going wide open.


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