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#256
They have to make an end-point somewhere. Believe me, I'm not a fan of doing the break-in, but I'm too paranoid about it to not do it. And like I said I keep my cars forever because sooner or later they'll end up going to my kids. Hopefully later...lol
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#257
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Maybe all of the people complaining about how long 1800 miles is don’t drive their cars enough.
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#259
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What i meant by "pampering" is that I intend to wash, clean it, and keep it looking brand new as long as humanly and technologically possible. I bought the car to drive the hell out of while cherishing that agreeable engine growl coming from behind my ear. That's why I opted for the 7MT.
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Oh yeah? How many miles do you drive a year?
"3,000"
<speechless>
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#261
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#262
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I have no chance to convince you, so let me just point out that modern car has approx 30’000 parts, many of them moving parts that need to be settled-in. The motor is only part of the power train, plus chassis, suspension, brakes, tires… all moving parts need to settle for optimal performance. Sadly, many people flip their cars, before they achieve optimal performance.
and back to my point, the lawyers have a lot to say about that break-in period. Maybe more so than the engineers. Break the car in however you like, not here to start that argument, just pointing out that it is not Hans and friends that write that stuff
and how come Porsche has no early oil change or diff change? now that’s a fun argument …
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#263
Believe it or not, there is lots of evidence that a car babied in the first few hundred miles makes less power and often uses more oil. and back to my point, the lawyers have a lot to say about that break-in period. Maybe more so than the engineers. Break the car in however you like, not here to start that argument, just pointing out that it is not Hans and friends that write that stuff  and how come Porsche has no early oil change or diff change?  now that’s a fun argument …
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#265
That's not how you set the rings  Like I said, not trying to get into the whole debate here about break-in procedures (you can stay up late reading each side - my favorite one is when someone who knew someone was at the factory and got a lesson from Hans (I'm making up the names). ) - my point was and still is... when someone says "I trust the engineers at Porsche who wrote that" - it probably is not them who wrote that.....
#266
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I get it now. Thank you for straightening me out. The bad part is if we lined up 10 people from Porsche engineering, 10 people from the Factory who actually build the cars, and 10 Porsche lawyers and asked all 30 what the proper break-in procedure is, we'd probably get 30 different answers....who knows...
(myself included )
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#267
Burning Brakes
Here is an old classic on the running-in:
https://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/
it is 10-y old article, motors are build by robots now, for greater consistency, but principles still apply, unless you don’t care and will flip it anyway.
https://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/
it is 10-y old article, motors are build by robots now, for greater consistency, but principles still apply, unless you don’t care and will flip it anyway.
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Here is an old classic on the running-in:
https://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/
it is 10-y old article, motors are build by robots now, for greater consistency, but principles still apply, unless you don’t care and will flip it anyway.
https://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/
it is 10-y old article, motors are build by robots now, for greater consistency, but principles still apply, unless you don’t care and will flip it anyway.
I videoed AP's presentation, and here is what he said:
"I can only tell you how I personally do it, or how we do it at Weissach – for the first 500 kilometres or 300 miles, we don’t drive that car car ever over 5000 rpm, never. From then on, every 200 kilometres, we up the rpms by 500, so we end up at 1300, 1400 kilometres at the threshold before we can really go full throttle, at 800 or 900 miles."
He then went on that this procedure was really important for the GT3 RS engines given their more «delicate» rings - and how important this break in really is for any of their engines.
I'm not sure who originally transcribed this. It may be fake news for all I know, but it's been passed around RL for years.
I don't personally believe in these super long break ins - what I've always done just happens to align closest with what AP does. Keep it light for a couple tanks then start to open It up over a couple more. Done by about 800 miles.
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#269
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Just at a Porsche experience driving event. They had 992’s with under 500 miles and we beat the hell out of them, red line all day on the track.
I think the break in 2k miles was relevant 10 years ago but with the level of machine automation and the quality of the parts in these cars now, I think 3-4 full tanks of gas and you’re fine.
I know a guy who was so nervous about the break in period that he would not ever come close to getting over 4K rpms until he hit 2k miles - then he traded in the car in about 500 miles afterwards. When you buy secondhand you have no idea but the original owner did during the first couple thousand miles. All I could say is on my previous Porsche purchases the dealer didn’t say anything about breaking the car in whatsoever.
I think the break in 2k miles was relevant 10 years ago but with the level of machine automation and the quality of the parts in these cars now, I think 3-4 full tanks of gas and you’re fine.
I know a guy who was so nervous about the break in period that he would not ever come close to getting over 4K rpms until he hit 2k miles - then he traded in the car in about 500 miles afterwards. When you buy secondhand you have no idea but the original owner did during the first couple thousand miles. All I could say is on my previous Porsche purchases the dealer didn’t say anything about breaking the car in whatsoever.