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Old 01-18-2023, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pivot
The primary thing for me are the options.

The options I want are available with an S derivative, e.g. manual transmission, and with GTS I get other options baked-in that I don’t want, like lowered suspension, etc.

However, if I was in the market for GTS-level specs I would pref to take GTS, as trade-in/resale value is calculated on a base price of the derivative, before the options, so on the GTS one would lose less value.
An important thing to consider when looking at depreciation is the potential discrepancy between depreciation rate and total depreciation. While the GTS may have a lower depreciation rate as a %of msrp, the total depreciation cost could be higher due to the higher msrp. I have yet to see hard data that suggests the GTS holds any of these metrics better than the S. The only data I’ve seen suggests the GTS cost per 1,000 miles is worse than the S, which would make sense. As you move up the trims you tend to lose more money with the base performing the best and the turbo S performing the worst.

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Old 01-18-2023, 03:12 PM
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Depreciation has to be pretty low on the list of reasons you buy a luxury sports car, imo. I just can’t imagine spending this kind of money on a car with a bunch of options I don’t want just because the residual value might be fractionally higher than the car I *actually* want. Talk about buyers remorse.

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Old 01-18-2023, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by papa-p
Depreciation has to be pretty low on the list of reasons you buy a luxury sports car, imo. I just can’t imagine spending this kind of money on a car with a bunch of options I don’t want just because the residual value might be fractionally higher than the car I ACTUALLY want. Talk about buyers remorse.

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This. If depreciation is high on your list of concerns, you should be looking at a cheaper car.
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Old 01-18-2023, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by papa-p
Depreciation has to be pretty low on the list of reasons you buy a luxury sports car, imo. I just can’t imagine spending this kind of money on a car with a bunch of options I don’t want just because the residual value might be fractionally higher than the car I *actually* want. Talk about buyers remorse.

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Pointing out favorable deprecation is more a counterpoint to the cost argument against the GTS than it is an argument against the S.

Meaning I wouldn't get the GTS solely because of better depreciation, but I could justify the added expense of the GTS based on the favorable depreciation (if the cost of the GTS was a sticking point).

I think it probably speaks more to the fact that the cost argument against the GTS is a little specious since things like depreciation can be factored into the equation.
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Originally Posted by papa-p
Depreciation has to be pretty low on the list of reasons you buy a luxury sports car, imo. I just can’t imagine spending this kind of money on a car with a bunch of options I don’t want just because the residual value might be fractionally higher than the car I *actually* want. Talk about buyers remorse.

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That's exactly the point I'm trying to make with the charts. If someone is really worried about depreciation, maybe just go get a Mustang GT. Not a gt500, just the high production GT. It has a worse depreciation rate than the 911, but it only costs 45K. Even if it goes to 0 you're only out 45K and realistically you can probably get in and out of that car for 20 grand after 5 years if you keep the miles down and keep it nice. At the 911 level, and in normal times you can lose 20k driving it off the lot depending on the model. debating the depreciation of a 911 is useless..it's expensive, so get the one you want, we are all blowing tons of money on fun and relative exclusivity.
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The other issue with Nick Murray’s review was the acceleration test. He didn’t show any Dragy or verifiable times from the S and GTS. All he did was do a 2nd gear pull in sport mode (not sport plus) where the GTS lost traction at the beginning and then proceeded to say “there’s no noticeable difference between the two”. Even if you don’t notice a difference, if you run both in the 1/4 mile the GTS will be faster 100%.

this video was a hit piece against the GTS. When my GTS arrives I will race it against my friends S and show Nick he is full of it.

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Originally Posted by porsche1234
this video was a hit piece against the GTS. When my GTS arrives I will race it against my friends S and show Nick he is full of it.
I’m sure Nick is shaking in his Kiwi boots? 😂 😂

In the meantime, might read this study. Just sayin’

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Originally Posted by porsche1234
The other issue with Nick Murray’s review was the acceleration test. He didn’t show any Dragy or verifiable times from the S and GTS. All he did was do a 2nd gear pull in sport mode (not sport plus) where the GTS lost traction at the beginning and then proceeded to say “there’s no noticeable difference between the two”. Even if you don’t notice a difference, if you run both in the 1/4 mile the GTS will be faster 100%.

this video was a hit piece against the GTS. When my GTS arrives I will race it against my friends S and show Nick he is full of it.
someone needs to do it. Not sure why all the media lap dogs are too scared? Seems like an easy thing to put together.
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Originally Posted by 22992
someone needs to do it. Not sure why all the media lap dogs are too scared? Seems like an easy thing to put together.
I suppose that there is not enough hype for the Carrera S and GTS online for the influencers to get enough views. People would rather see a GT3 vs gt3rs or a m4csl vs m5cs etc.
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Originally Posted by porsche1234
I suppose that there is not enough hype for the Carrera S and GTS online for the influencers to get enough views. People would rather see a GT3 vs gt3rs or a m4csl vs m5cs etc.
S vs GTS is not a question anyone outside of Rennlist is asking.
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Old 01-21-2023, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
S vs GTS is not a question anyone outside of Rennlist is asking.
I just recently watched a video comparing a 996 turbo to a base 992, another with a base 992 vs 992gt3 and there are countless other unsolicited comparisons out there. I would think a comparison among the Carrera models would do just as good or better than some of the “content fillers” swirling around out there.
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Originally Posted by 22992
someone needs to do it. Not sure why all the media lap dogs are too scared? Seems like an easy thing to put together.

The journos hope and pray to be invited to cool launches in exotic places.
Step out of line and back to Opel Corsa and VW Golf category 8-/
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Originally Posted by rk-d
S vs GTS is not a question anyone outside of Rennlist is asking.
As stated before on this Forum, and from Porsche’s own data:

Buyers of the fan-favorite Porsche 911 model are. often between 46 and 65 years old, with the average age being 52”

Point being….I would care to venture that the VAST number of 911 owners are more interested in the image that Porsche exudes to their neighbors, than its ability to beat someone off the line? All they know is it’s fast. really fast. A tenth of a second is noise to most people. Who cares? Most older men care about their health, remaining attractive, and in some cases, being able to get it up, and hoping their 401K and other investments keep doing well.
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Old 01-22-2023, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
As stated before on this Forum, and from Porsche’s own data:

Buyers of the fan-favorite Porsche 911 model are. often between 46 and 65 years old, with the average age being 52”

Point being….I would care to venture that the VAST number of 911 owners are more interested in the image that Porsche exudes to their neighbors, than its ability to beat someone off the line? All they know is it’s fast. really fast. A tenth of a second is noise to most people. Who cares? Most older men care about their health, remaining attractive, and in some cases, being able to get it up, and hoping their 401K and other investments keep doing well.

Guess I'm an anomaly. I own and drive mine solely for me; I don't care at all about who thinks the GTS is superior or inferior to the S. In fact, I don't like to advertise I have a Porsche to others. I also have big hands and feet.

edit: I DO, however, get some enjoyment out of discussing things in ridiculous detail here as a distraction from other things I'd rather not be doing or thinking.

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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
As stated before on this Forum, and from Porsche’s own data:

Buyers of the fan-favorite Porsche 911 model are. often between 46 and 65 years old, with the average age being 52”

Point being….I would care to venture that the VAST number of 911 owners are more interested in the image that Porsche exudes to their neighbors, than its ability to beat someone off the line? All they know is it’s fast. really fast. A tenth of a second is noise to most people. Who cares? Most older men care about their health, remaining attractive, and in some cases, being able to get it up, and hoping their 401K and other investments keep doing well.
While I tend to agree with you, it’s kinda sad that people don’t care about the performance of their performance cars. Way more content here about leather this and stitching that.

It’s kinda like not caring if someone put cloth seats in your Bentley and focusing on it’s 0-60 while complaining the ride is too soft.
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