Lithium ion battery
#76
in my search for a replacement I learned a few things. A replacement part number is now NY instead of H.
One dealer told me he heard there was a fire at the production plant thus leaving a replacement difficult to source.
I also found that a handful of dealers may actually be sitting on stock but this number will be low. It would appear that a receptive dealer may be able to help you source one from another dealer but again the number is low.
If you do find one transport now becomes problematic as they are considered a hazardous good but ground shipping may be possible.
I actually was able to source 2 new batteries. Both of these were located in Canada which is a bonus for me as that’s where I am.
One was on the west coast which I committed to and waiting delivery. Again problematic. This one has the same original part number on it so I’m assuming it likely has been sitting on the shelf for a year. The other with the NY lettering is located at Porsche Centre North Toronto.
Can’t shake the crazy price of CDN$2400 plus tax though and then there’s that shipping thing again but at least it gets you on the road.
#77
You need to get a complete written statement from your dealer as to what the (suspected) cause is, what the error message is, and any ancillary charges encountered like shipping and contact Porsche Canada with this info. While any other part failing with a new vehicle is (other than tires) pretty much covered, batteries are not. Thus you need to make sure this is not rejected due to suspected user error (you left the lights on, or a radar detector/camera etc.). Take any relevant pictures of the error message as well with the mileage.
GL
siberian
GL
siberian
#78
At the very least, Porsche needs to be honest and transparent with their customers. Much like the issue regarding the activation of the matrix lighting, Porsche keeps the customers in the dark.
I like the car, but a growing dislike for corporate/business decisions will make me re-think if I ever want to buy another Porsche….when the time comes.
I like the car, but a growing dislike for corporate/business decisions will make me re-think if I ever want to buy another Porsche….when the time comes.
Last edited by Fullyield; 05-12-2022 at 08:51 PM.
#80
@Antigravity , or anyone else with knowledge, what's the "shelf life" of these lithium ion batteries? Could one, for instance, purchase and keep one of them as a warm spare, in case something happened to their original, or would the spare need to be tendered or maintained in any way, or might it likely "expire" before being put to use?
I ask because I am planning to get a car with RAS, and would consider purchasing an extra battery with the car (as a form of battery insurance), so I wouldn't have to kick cans down the street while waiting for parts if I ran into trouble; just not sure how long these batteries can sit on the shelf without going bad.
Tangentially, I cannot believe that something as traditionally reliable as a battery can no longer be taken for granted on a 160K+ car. It's embarrassing. I feel embarrassed even talking about it.
I ask because I am planning to get a car with RAS, and would consider purchasing an extra battery with the car (as a form of battery insurance), so I wouldn't have to kick cans down the street while waiting for parts if I ran into trouble; just not sure how long these batteries can sit on the shelf without going bad.
Tangentially, I cannot believe that something as traditionally reliable as a battery can no longer be taken for granted on a 160K+ car. It's embarrassing. I feel embarrassed even talking about it.
#81
LION Battery
One would hope this shortage of these batteries will not be a long term issue and Once the factory gets up and running again the problem will be behind us. I’ve come to understand that keeping a Li tender plugged in during times of non use is advisable and the battery should last 5 or so years
#82
Just my 2 cents, but it seems IMHO that the main issue is NOT with the battery but with the BMS software and/or harness. Depending on length of time you would need to have them on a trickle charger but again if the software monitoring the whole thing is malfunctioning no matter what maintainer or charger you put it on it's not going to be of much use.
siberian
siberian
#84
@Antigravity , or anyone else with knowledge, what's the "shelf life" of these lithium ion batteries? Could one, for instance, purchase and keep one of them as a warm spare, in case something happened to their original, or would the spare need to be tendered or maintained in any way, or might it likely "expire" before being put to use?
I ask because I am planning to get a car with RAS, and would consider purchasing an extra battery with the car (as a form of battery insurance), so I wouldn't have to kick cans down the street while waiting for parts if I ran into trouble; just not sure how long these batteries can sit on the shelf without going bad.
Tangentially, I cannot believe that something as traditionally reliable as a battery can no longer be taken for granted on a 160K+ car. It's embarrassing. I feel embarrassed even talking about it.
I ask because I am planning to get a car with RAS, and would consider purchasing an extra battery with the car (as a form of battery insurance), so I wouldn't have to kick cans down the street while waiting for parts if I ran into trouble; just not sure how long these batteries can sit on the shelf without going bad.
Tangentially, I cannot believe that something as traditionally reliable as a battery can no longer be taken for granted on a 160K+ car. It's embarrassing. I feel embarrassed even talking about it.
Not sure when just sitting as a backup, if that was your question - not sure if not being maintained if sitting not used what that would look like longer term as a backup?
I fortunately have had no issues with my last two 992s with LiPo (both have RAS). As we know some have had issues, with either a faulty battery or BMS?... I think the vast majority has not had issues...
I do think Porsche should drop the proprietary BMS/control module thing, as there is a hugely valid fact that if you were on a road trip (supply issues aside right now) - what a pain that you have to have a porsche specified battery, and a porsche service center to replace a LiPo via programming it with the right code or whatever voodoo they have to do. There are many that live far from a service center, or perhaps might be on a trip where there is no service centers.. Even Ferrari and Lambo are not proprietary - you just need a LiPo.
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Guzzgreg (05-13-2022)
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#87
As tjohn discovered, Canadian dealers are much more likely to have a new LiPo battery in stock as they are standard issue on ALL 992s (with RAS or not). $2400 Canadian converts to about $1850 US, and with shipping you'd be at around $2k...still a bundle for a battery but not outlandish, IMO.
#88
As tjohn discovered, Canadian dealers are much more likely to have a new LiPo battery in stock as they are standard issue on ALL 992s (with RAS or not). $2400 Canadian converts to about $1850 US, and with shipping you'd be at around $2k...still a bundle for a battery but not outlandish, IMO.
#89
siberian
#90
But in the end, I bet Porsche is counting on it’s loyal fan base to sell/trade-in the 911 within 10 years…for the next generation of shiny object. Let’s face it…we all love the latest gadgets and shiny objects.
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 05-13-2022 at 12:14 PM.