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Old 01-02-2023 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
Got the call today for an allocation:

Here's the build I sent over:

PPPH9AC5
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Had to check to make sure you were sticking with Ruby. Psyched to see you are :-) Solid looking spec.
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Old 01-02-2023 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott P
My point is even people who have done a lot of time on tracks (me) have a difficult time feeling the difference in performance even when I'm carrying a passenger. Of course weight matters, if you could you'd ask Colin Chapman. If you get the T with rear seats then take those seats out (15#) you'd be hard-pressed to notice a drop off in performance or handling. I've modified a few cars: M3, 650GC, 350Z and a 330. I've done countless laps at Watkins Glen so I understand fully, vehicle dynamics. Weight reduction is not the reason I'm buying the T, I'm buying what I consider to be the sweet spot in the lineup without going crazy on expense. I wanted a Base but with no manual available that killed that choice immediately. The T ticks all the necessary boxes for me.
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Again well said. A car with a sunroof will not be materially slower than one with a carbon roof...not unless someone here is actually named Max or Lewis and you are planning to enter into some racing series with $$ at stake. Build the car as you want it - they will all be equally fun, responsive, and agile. Driver skill would be the true differentiator at the track on any factory stock T.

My point about modern 911s being heavy - if someone is that weight obsessed, I would suggest a different car.
Everyone has different priorities and there are those for whom weight is not one. There are cabriolets, Targas, GTSs and Turbos to match those other priorities.

The T is supposed to be the lightest Carrera and it starts at 3,250 with the unavailable LWBS, so we're really talking 3,300+. That is a very heavy sports car. When you drop just 50lbs, you do feel it immediately but only if you drive the car pre and post removal. You'll then quickly adjust to the new normal. But just because you won't feel it every time you drive the car doesn't mean it's not there. If you want light, 50lbs is a starting point and when you can remove 100 or 150lbs without butchering the car, it feels different. The 991T feels far more livelier and nimble than the base 991. Most of that is the lower weight. The 991 had a bigger weight delta between the T and the base than the 992. That's what I want in a T. I wrote in another thread that the reason I ordered this 992T is because I live in a market where finding the perfect 991T (3,150lbs, and possible to achieve 3,000lbs) is a needle in a haystack exercise and that I'm not that excited about the 992. The extra 100lbs, which is really 150lbs given LWBS unavailability, is the primary reason. So, while my car too will live on the street mostly, I want to buy the lightest possible. Take a 992T and start adding sunroof and other things "you won't notice" and next thing you know you're at 3,400+. I can assure you that 3,400lb 992 will feel very, very different from a 3,000lb 991T modified with boltons like wheels, exhaust, battery etc.
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Old 01-02-2023 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by avid
Everyone has different priorities and there are those for whom weight is not one. There are cabriolets, Targas, GTSs and Turbos to match those other priorities.

The T is supposed to be the lightest Carrera and it starts at 3,250 with the unavailable LWBS, so we're really talking 3,300+. That is a very heavy sports car. When you drop just 50lbs, you do feel it immediately but only if you drive the car pre and post removal. You'll then quickly adjust to the new normal. But just because you won't feel it every time you drive the car doesn't mean it's not there. If you want light, 50lbs is a starting point and when you can remove 100 or 150lbs without butchering the car, it feels different. The 991T feels far more livelier and nimble than the base 991. Most of that is the lower weight. The 991 had a bigger weight delta between the T and the base than the 992. That's what I want in a T. I wrote in another thread that the reason I ordered this 992T is because I live in a market where finding the perfect 991T (3,150lbs, and possible to achieve 3,000lbs) is a needle in a haystack exercise and that I'm not that excited about the 992. The extra 100lbs, which is really 150lbs given LWBS unavailability, is the primary reason. So, while my car too will live on the street mostly, I want to buy the lightest possible. Take a 992T and start adding sunroof and other things "you won't notice" and next thing you know you're at 3,400+. I can assure you that 3,400lb 992 will feel very, very different from a 3,000lb 991T modified with boltons like wheels, exhaust, battery etc.
Small tidbit, but the T is listed at 3,254lbs with standard equipment - which is the 4 way sport plus seats, not the LWBS.
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Old 01-02-2023 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
Small tidbit, but the T is listed at 3,254lbs with standard equipment - which is the 4 way sport plus seats, not the LWBS.
Porsche historically quotes the weight of the lightest possible build, which in this case includes LWBS. This is unconfirmed but I'm 98% sure that 3,254 quote is with LWBS.
Old 01-02-2023 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HerrDr
Had to check to make sure you were sticking with Ruby. Psyched to see you are :-) Solid looking spec.
I'm waffling between adding the Carrera T interior in the grey to get the pin striping or just leaving it as is.

If LWBS do show up, I'm switching to those immediately. I love them in my current car and I'm a little sad to be losing them.
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Old 01-02-2023 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gibberish
Possibly a lighter n/a engine could be used with added hybrid power (70-90bhp) to make up for the lack of turbos?

I know there is a 992.2 thread but it's not as lively as this one 👍

I recently drove a gen 2 NSX V6 twin turbo hybrid and I have to say I was very impressed. I also had a chance to drive a Taycan and PEC Atlanta also impressive. If the NSX paid a weight penalty for the hybrid system it sure wasn't noticeable. it was subjectively equal to or better than my 992 Carrera in most performance measures. I didn't like the braking feel of the NSX but other than that just wow. I'm very excited to get my 992.1 T but after driving the NSX I'm equally excited about the prospect of a 992.2 with a flat 6 twin turbo hybrid powertrain. I assume that Porsche will take that configuration to the next level (trickle down 918) and while some people may turn their nose up at it simply because it's a hybrid or it weighs marginally more I'm likely to order one as soon as it's available. It does somewhat pain me to say it but after driving my first hybrid sports car in my opinion that configuration is superior to any ICE car i've driven..... I do fear it will mark the end of the manual which will be the biggest loss in my mind.
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Old 01-02-2023 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by avid
Porsche historically quotes the weight of the lightest possible build, which in this case includes LWBS. This is unconfirmed but I'm 98% sure that 3,254 quote is with LWBS.
Interesting. I feel like its false advertising if someone bought a zero option T and got a curb weight far above what the lightest possible T would be (including $1800 titanium lug nuts, the exclusive design wheels, carbon fiber roof, LWBS)
Old 01-02-2023 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by avid
Porsche historically quotes the weight of the lightest possible build, which in this case includes LWBS. This is unconfirmed but I'm 98% sure that 3,254 quote is with LWBS.
Originally Posted by balucipher
Interesting. I feel like its false advertising if someone bought a zero option T and got a curb weight far above what the lightest possible T would be (including $1800 titanium lug nuts, the exclusive design wheels, carbon fiber roof, LWBS)
Maybe historically true, but not anymore.

They now need to use only standard equipment.

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Old 01-02-2023 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Maybe historically true, but not anymore.

They now need to use only standard equipment.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=811&...e=emb_imp_woyt
Thank you for sharing that. Great news. Like @balucipher said, it's otherwise false advertising and never felt right. If the 992T is in fact 3,250 with the standard seats, that means the 100lb difference is in the seats and PCCBs and therefore the delta in weight between the T and the base may not be that different between the 991 and 992.
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Old 01-02-2023 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
Got the call today for an allocation:

Here's the build I sent over:

PPPH9AC5
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPPH9AC5

Congratulations!! woohoo, great feeling no?
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Originally Posted by Scott P
Congratulations!! woohoo, great feeling no?
Amazing haha. I was getting a little stressed thinking that they were running out of allocations for the T (if it is indeed a 1 model year short run) and was contemplating my options if my allocation never materialized today when I saw my salesman's name pop up on my phone.

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that's awesome, again, happy for you. Now the fun really begins!
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Old 01-02-2023 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Maybe historically true, but not anymore.

They now need to use only standard equipment.

@13:50
Very cool, thanks for posting that.
Old 01-02-2023 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by balucipher
I'm waffling between adding the Carrera T interior in the grey to get the pin striping or just leaving it as is.

If LWBS do show up, I'm switching to those immediately. I love them in my current car and I'm a little sad to be losing them.
Personally, I've got my heart set on the checkered seat inserts of the base 4-way sport plus seats. Just such a classic look. Otherwise I might opt for the ventilated seats!
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Old 01-02-2023 | 05:52 PM
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checkered seat inserts were on my original build for a long time then I put the T package in lizard green on my build and that's where I plan to stay.
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