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01-01-2023 | 07:11 PM
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01-01-2023 | 07:12 PM
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01-01-2023 | 07:19 PM
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Long-time lurker here. My dealer just accepted my MY23 Carrera T order (V200) for June build / July 14 delivery with no ADM. Here's the config: PPGD5GB0
It's a moderate build at $136k: Shark Blue, $4k leather interior, 7MT, LCA, clear taillights. Only "splurge" is Burmester audio. If Bose comes back before my freeze date, I'll switch to Bose and save $4k. The basic audio is supposedly horrible for listening to anything other than podcasts. I'll be trading my 2020 Taycan 4S and selling a 2004 986 Boxster 550 Spyder edition to make room for this one.
This will be my 5th Porsche and first 911 since trading my 997.2 base 6MT for the Taycan. I cancelled a Taycan GTS build at V200 in favor of this one; the Taycan is the best-driving EV bar none (and beats a lot of cars around a track), but it just doesn't have the emotional engagement of a manual transmission flat-6.
It's a moderate build at $136k: Shark Blue, $4k leather interior, 7MT, LCA, clear taillights. Only "splurge" is Burmester audio. If Bose comes back before my freeze date, I'll switch to Bose and save $4k. The basic audio is supposedly horrible for listening to anything other than podcasts. I'll be trading my 2020 Taycan 4S and selling a 2004 986 Boxster 550 Spyder edition to make room for this one.
This will be my 5th Porsche and first 911 since trading my 997.2 base 6MT for the Taycan. I cancelled a Taycan GTS build at V200 in favor of this one; the Taycan is the best-driving EV bar none (and beats a lot of cars around a track), but it just doesn't have the emotional engagement of a manual transmission flat-6.
01-01-2023 | 08:19 PM
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With all due respect gents, why are you so concerned with weight? I think I can say no one here is a top flight driver (Indycar or F1) and to me, unless you are, you will never appreciate weight in a car. Promise.
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01-01-2023 | 08:54 PM
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I'm no race car driver but, after 4 decades on track at HPDE's, I'm going to gently disagree. As you reduce weight, particularly in a lower HP car, it becomes sharper and sharper. It may be hard to measure with non professional drivers but, it is definitly noticable. Yes, you should buy the options you want regardless of weight. Still, 100# is very evident in a 3000# car. PS, I'm on a strict diet until my new T arrives, If all goes well I'll save the weight of RWS and side skirts!
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01-01-2023 | 10:35 PM
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Weight is extremely noticeable once you lose enough of it in a car, especially unsprung weight. If you add one or two heavy options to a 911 it probably wouldn't be noticeable, but if you compare the lightest Carrera T to the heaviest Carrera T you could option, it likely would be noticeable on track by anyone with experience.
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01-01-2023 | 11:15 PM
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I'm no race car driver but, after 4 decades on track at HPDE's, I'm going to gently disagree. As you reduce weight, particularly in a lower HP car, it becomes sharper and sharper. It may be hard to measure with non professional drivers but, it is definitly noticable. Yes, you should buy the options you want regardless of weight. Still, 100# is very evident in a 3000# car. PS, I'm on a strict diet until my new T arrives, If all goes well I'll save the weight of RWS and side skirts!
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01-02-2023 | 01:46 AM
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01-02-2023 | 01:59 AM
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You don't need to be a pro driver to understand physics and to feel weight reduction measures. New wheels that are just 5lbs lighter per corner can be felt. Swapping sofas for LWBS can be felt. Taking out the spare tire can be felt. Perhaps this is something you've never paid attention to. Perhaps you've never modified a car or gotten into motorsports to the extent that you can appreciate such things but many of us have and do. The entire point of the car that you are buying IS weight reduction.
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01-02-2023 | 02:04 AM
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01-02-2023 | 02:13 AM
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He guys. I read everything from the beginning. That’s why I selected my words carefully: I merely observed this. Those cars had the bucket seats so it’s clear we should not use those cars to make objective decisions. My point is: if those cars all had FAL they would also all have the FAL button which is not the case. And if there is one thing I learned in Porsche land is to not always believe what people or dealers are telling you. Sometimes the info is just not correct. But we will see.
Fact is that it does seem logical why such thing could go wrong. You merely need to program some option for it to make a button applicable. Since the sport exhaust is now standard that option is not highlighted and the extra button is not added as well. Seems an honest mistake in programming. But if it’s a clear mistake like this, why did the Porsche North American Rep not just say that he would bring the mistake to the attention of Porsche to just fix it? Saying that the configurator was right is not the point. I am sure it’s right. It just needs to be fixed. So I am not thinking this persons really knows anything about buttons and this kind of details.
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Fact is that it does seem logical why such thing could go wrong. You merely need to program some option for it to make a button applicable. Since the sport exhaust is now standard that option is not highlighted and the extra button is not added as well. Seems an honest mistake in programming. But if it’s a clear mistake like this, why did the Porsche North American Rep not just say that he would bring the mistake to the attention of Porsche to just fix it? Saying that the configurator was right is not the point. I am sure it’s right. It just needs to be fixed. So I am not thinking this persons really knows anything about buttons and this kind of details.
Hope is the last to die …
01-02-2023 | 02:24 AM
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If you're dealer really wanted you to have T allocation for you, they would.
Even if they were not allocated any from PAG and/or PCNA, they can always trade for one from another dealer that did get one.
01-02-2023 | 02:27 AM
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Speaking just for myself, I can barely feel the difference in normal driving when I have the additional weight of a passenger. I'm guessing there is a big difference between track driving for the best time when every ounce of weight probably matters and taking a friend out for a winding road drive? And surely we can agree that YMMV? 
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