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Now if someone slaps the S/T lightweight clutch and flywheel into the T, as GT3 owners are beginning to, I may be convinced back into the fold.
I'm undertaking something like this with the incoming car. Stay tuned.
Originally Posted by Dream in PTS
I also can't stand it. But I have heard it is pretty inexpensive to have a shop remove it; maybe under €100. And there are even less expensive ways to do it yourself, but on a 911 I would just take it to a tint shop.
What you're saying is I have the wrong configuration on my T for the optimal "T" experience. oh well, i'll enjoy my nicely equipped base 911 with fancy stickers.
The most important thing is that you enjoy it man!
I completely agree with your first line. The second is subjective, based on the person driving it.
Agreed. Reading this epic thread alone would almost have you think that adding heavy options like 18-way, PDK, more leather, FAL, glass roof, and rear seats would have such a large impact on the weight that it dramatically changes the overall character and driving experience and basically makes it a different car. Having driven several Ts now from nearly zero-option lightweight builds to highly-optioned heavy builds, I say that's not really the case. To me, the added weight of the heavily optioned Ts makes no perceptible difference in the driving dynamics, sound, and feel of the car on the street, which makes me think this weight difference are likely only realized when driven near the limit at the track. The options that do make a more perceptible difference in the way the car drives are RAS (just feels different to me, not in any good or bad way) and of course PDK, because the gearing is different and you lose the engagement of a 3rd pedal.
What does make a T really unique in the lineup is the combination of these three: removal of sound insulation material, smaller turbos, and shorter shifter on the manual version. The lack of sound insulation truly changes the noise and makes the cabin noticeably louder from the driver's seat in a good way. The smaller turbos also change the character of the engine making it feel more naturally aspirated, which I know the base Carrera also has, but not in combination with manual gearbox and added noise from lack of sound-deadening on the T. Also compared to a base and S, I really like the feel and action of the shorter shifter height on the T, which I believe is identical to a GTS. In my experience, the shorter shifter, smaller turbos, and the extra cabin noise make a much more significant impact on what makes a T feel and drive different than the extra weight of the fluff options do (18-way, FAL, glass roof, etc). Hell, I even think getting lightweight forged wheels and carbon ceramic rotors to reduce unsprung weight and stickier Cup tires on this car would make a larger impact on driving character than some of the weight-adding factory options some here tell you not to get. So in my opinion, go nuts with the options and make the T your own. It's going to be a great car to drive no matter what. Only go with a super light-weight build if you what to eke out as much performance for frequent track use, or to save money. And at least try to get it in manual if possible just because the GTS-derived short shifter feels so sweet and I believe the manual version also has mechanical PTV (rear diff) which should further add to the playfulness and analog feel, though I'm not certain since I wasn't able to drive the snot out of the PDK T that I test drove.
Wow all this because I simply said my T is so fun. Maybe i need to spend more time here again, ha. It’s incredibly fun because of the 400 watt sub and aftermarket exhaust! 😇😝
@jonbek My memory usually doesn’t fail me. Green T with 5 spoke HREs? How u liking your GT3. Anything u hate about it?
The T is special because in manual form it is the most engaging, and thus fun, car for the street in the 911 lineup. It just has the right goodies: mechanical diff, SPASM, PSE, RAS, etc. The S, GTS and Turbos are too powerful and competent, and thus can be boring to drive on the street in PDK, and the GT3s are more suited for the track, especially in regards to the suspension and the engine really only coming alive at high RPMs (but what a sound it is!).
@jonbek My memory usually doesn’t fail me. Green T with 5 spoke HREs? How u liking your GT3. Anything u hate about it?
That's it, or was. Love the GT, still my daily, even spent 800 miles driving it in a blizzard from TN to IL, I definitely love it. No complaints other than it would be nice to save some money.
That's it, or was. Love the GT, still my daily, even spent 800 miles driving it in a blizzard from TN to IL, I definitely love it. No complaints other than it would be nice to save some money.
Awesome. Good to hear. Only 911s I would get…of course black, ha. Hmmmm…money…hopefully paying attention to AI, BTC, etc. 😆
FYI, This is the new norm amongst all manufacturers since Covid. The location of manufacturing has zero bearing as to what is slipping through various stages of QC.
Agreed. Still, I’ll take made in Germany all day long for mass production autos. I could name a few countries I wouldn’t accept at all but that would be rude.
Last edited by Shortseller; 03-07-2024 at 05:13 PM.
Yea I'm waiting for my twin turbo Huracan to be finished with 1000hp but more excited about the 911 Carrera T to be be honest...
I love taking road trips and fun drives and I think the Carrera T will be perfect for that.
Do not have a Carrera T myself but a manual 992 Carrera S and I do think the T does satisfy the soul as many Carrera owners will tell you. It does all the things you do need a Porsche 911 to do and I think without some of the added bits allows those drivers to enjoy the car more. In that way its more of a driver's car than some of the others if spec'd correctly. BTW any Carrera can be spec'd that way which makes them such great and sought after cars. Am sure you'll soon find out when yours arrives. Yes heard you have one one order! . Will love you channel and videos BTW
Originally Posted by Fishah
If a Carrera T is spec'd right, the combination of low weight and small turbos provides a different feel than you get on other 992s.
A Carrera T with a PDK, 18 ways, sunroof, rear seats, etc... Will not feel nearly as special or differentiated as compared to other models.
Correct. spec it correctly and it will be the beginning of a life long love affair with Porsche...I think there are almost 500+ posts that agree with that.
Agreed. Reading this epic thread alone would almost have you think that adding heavy options like 18-way, PDK, more leather, FAL, glass roof, and rear seats would have such a large impact on the weight that it dramatically changes the overall character and driving experience and basically makes it a different car. Having driven several Ts now from nearly zero-option lightweight builds to highly-optioned heavy builds, I say that's not really the case. To me, the added weight of the heavily optioned Ts makes no perceptible difference in the driving dynamics, sound, and feel of the car on the street, which makes me think this weight difference are likely only realized when driven near the limit at the track. The options that do make a more perceptible difference in the way the car drives are RAS (just feels different to me, not in any good or bad way) and of course PDK, because the gearing is different and you lose the engagement of a 3rd pedal.
What does make a T really unique in the lineup is the combination of these three: removal of sound insulation material, smaller turbos, and shorter shifter on the manual version. The lack of sound insulation truly changes the noise and makes the cabin noticeably louder from the driver's seat in a good way. The smaller turbos also change the character of the engine making it feel more naturally aspirated, which I know the base Carrera also has, but not in combination with manual gearbox and added noise from lack of sound-deadening on the T. Also compared to a base and S, I really like the feel and action of the shorter shifter height on the T, which I believe is identical to a GTS. In my experience, the shorter shifter, smaller turbos, and the extra cabin noise make a much more significant impact on what makes a T feel and drive different than the extra weight of the fluff options do (18-way, FAL, glass roof, etc). Hell, I even think getting lightweight forged wheels and carbon ceramic rotors to reduce unsprung weight and stickier Cup tires on this car would make a larger impact on driving character than some of the weight-adding factory options some here tell you not to get. So in my opinion, go nuts with the options and make the T your own. It's going to be a great car to drive no matter what. Only go with a super light-weight build if you what to eke out as much performance for frequent track use, or to save money. And at least try to get it in manual if possible just because the GTS-derived short shifter feels so sweet and I believe the manual version also has mechanical PTV (rear diff) which should further add to the playfulness and analog feel, though I'm not certain since I wasn't able to drive the snot out of the PDK T that I test drove.
There has been so much debate over the right build, etc. I think what most have settled on is - do whatever floats your boat. It will be a great car for you. I can't imagine someone not liking or appreciating a T after driving it...while still allowing the possibility you might like a GTS or GT3 more.
The T ethos build questions had me thinking about all the noise around the PSE button before the first cars started arriving. Do you have to order the chrome tips to get the button or not? Hah. Well we all know now. Funny though that I pretty much never use that button. My wife pointed to the PSE button the other day and asked what it was. Start the car, turn the steering wheel **** to sport (which opens up the exhaust valves, turns the PSE button red) and drive on. Now that I have the car, I kind of wish there was a way to option that button out and have it be another programmable diamond...
There has been so much debate over the right build, etc. I think what most have settled on is - do whatever floats your boat. It will be a great car for you. I can't imagine someone not liking or appreciating a T after driving it...while still allowing the possibility you might like a GTS or GT3 more.
Everyone is different. Some are buying their first 911. Others, their 20th. Some are older. Some younger. Some live in hot climates. Some in cold. Some daily drive theirs. Others drive it weekends only. Not everyone is going to agree on "the perfect spec" because the perfect spec is what satisfies YOUR particular needs and wants. Having said that, when the T's ethos is purism, some will cringe when people option them as luxo cruisers. I had a hell of a time finding a 991.2 T spec'd to my taste in the secondary market which is why I bought a new one.
Originally Posted by arrivederci
Start the car, turn the steering wheel **** to sport (which opens up the exhaust valves, turns the PSE button red) and drive on. Now that I have the car, I kind of wish there was a way to option that button out and have it be another programmable diamond...
03-07-2024, 12:41 PM
