992 Carrera T Club
12-20-2023, 08:26 AM
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T gets high praise here next to some legends
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12-20-2023, 08:52 AM
For those who haven’t watched yet, see if you can put them in order of his preference? Sure the RS is his number 1 no surprise there since he owns one but see if you can guess his next choices.
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12-20-2023, 09:32 AM
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I track my car in 4 day weekends. 9am-4pm is when the track is open, I have track prep, letting air out or putting air in, 1 hour lunch or 2, time to get gas, leaves me with 4-5 sessions a day, I drive in 30 minute sessions.
after 8 - 10 days the tires do get a little heat cycled but they are still fun to drive on I like to call it driving on greasy tires, but there is still good amount of tread left, usually for the last 4 day days it’s a little iffy, sometimes if it rains during the other days that saves my tires more and it will last the full 12 days but it’s more common for them to get heat cycled at 8-10 days and I just have to be more careful the last few days
granted I am not driving like I have to qualify for some race, I just drive on the track for fun
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12-20-2023, 11:01 AM
Ok, I have now drive a PDK RAS car and a manual non RAS car at the PEC at Silverstone.
I have on order a Manual RAS car with FAL.
If I was driving one of their handling circuits every day, trying to set better times, I would go PDK RAS. FAL would not even be a consideration.
For the roads around my rural house, tight manoeuvring space, crappy surfaces etc I think RAS and FAL (and surround cameras) will prove their worth.
When the roads open up, the manual will be perfect.
Thats just me, my circumstances and my car.
I am very much looking forward to delivery.
I have on order a Manual RAS car with FAL.
If I was driving one of their handling circuits every day, trying to set better times, I would go PDK RAS. FAL would not even be a consideration.
For the roads around my rural house, tight manoeuvring space, crappy surfaces etc I think RAS and FAL (and surround cameras) will prove their worth.
When the roads open up, the manual will be perfect.
Thats just me, my circumstances and my car.
I am very much looking forward to delivery.
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12-20-2023, 11:07 AM
Ok, I have now drive a PDK RAS car and a manual non RAS car at the PEC at Silverstone.
I have on order a Manual RAS car with FAL.
If I was driving one of their handling circuits every day, trying to set better times, I would go PDK RAS. FAL would not even be a consideration.
For the roads around my rural house, tight manoeuvring space, crappy surfaces etc I think RAS and FAL (and surround cameras) will prove their worth.
When the roads open up, the manual will be perfect.
Thats just me, my circumstances and my car.
I am very much looking forward to delivery.
I have on order a Manual RAS car with FAL.
If I was driving one of their handling circuits every day, trying to set better times, I would go PDK RAS. FAL would not even be a consideration.
For the roads around my rural house, tight manoeuvring space, crappy surfaces etc I think RAS and FAL (and surround cameras) will prove their worth.
When the roads open up, the manual will be perfect.
Thats just me, my circumstances and my car.
I am very much looking forward to delivery.
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12-20-2023, 01:27 PM
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For example, if you removed RAS to save weight but added the extended range fuel tank – gasoline weighs ~6 lbs per gallon. Going from a 16.9 gallon tank to a 23.7 gallon tank will add nearly 41 lbs of weight on a full tank. Does that mean the extended range tank is a bad addition? Does it mean it doesn’t fit with the ethos of the car? I find it odd that this option is not as heavily debated given its weight impact is nearly 3x that of RAS.
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For example, if you removed RAS to save weight but added the extended range fuel tank – gasoline weighs ~6 lbs per gallon. Going from a 16.9 gallon tank to a 23.7 gallon tank will add nearly 41 lbs of weight on a full tank. Does that mean the extended range tank is a bad addition? Does it mean it doesn’t fit with the ethos of the car? I find it odd that this option is not as heavily debated given its weight impact is nearly 3x that of RAS.
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12-20-2023, 01:58 PM
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WEIGHT CONUNDRUM!!
Never mind the weight implications of RAS, FAL, extended fuel tank etc etc
Porsche engineers when developing their cars base their calculations on the average weight of North American and European men.
That average is 86.5kg (190 pounds).
So all you guys out there that weigh more than the average, need to consider the implications your extra weight is having on your car’s handling.
Shave off a few kg’s or pounds and you’ll notice the difference…….apparently👍
Never mind the weight implications of RAS, FAL, extended fuel tank etc etc
Porsche engineers when developing their cars base their calculations on the average weight of North American and European men.
That average is 86.5kg (190 pounds).
So all you guys out there that weigh more than the average, need to consider the implications your extra weight is having on your car’s handling.
Shave off a few kg’s or pounds and you’ll notice the difference…….apparently👍
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12-20-2023, 02:15 PM
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Good point about not being able to disable all electronic kit.
At what speed were you able to recover the 992 on the skid plate? Did RAS make much difference?
I think that 992 is a beast without the electronic witchcraft. I read that the 992 base model is as quick as the 996 Turbo, but of course more refined.
At what speed were you able to recover the 992 on the skid plate? Did RAS make much difference?
I think that 992 is a beast without the electronic witchcraft. I read that the 992 base model is as quick as the 996 Turbo, but of course more refined.
But that is again all relative, on the Twisty Roads of the Tail of the Dragon, my dad drove my T and kept up with a GT2 RS.
It does not matter how much horsepower you have if you are not in a position to use it effectively.
in a hypothetical scenario, The only way for a car with less horsepower to beat a car with more HP is in the skill of the driver, and the tires, and handaling
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12-20-2023, 02:27 PM
I can confirm, that My 992 T keeps up with the 996 Turbo, It will start to lose at the end as the Turbo has a claimed 40 more hp. But in the first few gears, the 992 can keep up.
But that is again all relative, on the Twisty Roads of the Tail of the Dragon, my dad drove my T and kept up with a GT2 RS.
It does not matter how much horsepower you have if you are not in a position to use it effectively.
in a hypothetical scenario, The only way for a car with less horsepower to beat a car with more HP is in the skill of the driver, and the tires, and handaling
But that is again all relative, on the Twisty Roads of the Tail of the Dragon, my dad drove my T and kept up with a GT2 RS.
It does not matter how much horsepower you have if you are not in a position to use it effectively.
in a hypothetical scenario, The only way for a car with less horsepower to beat a car with more HP is in the skill of the driver, and the tires, and handaling
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12-20-2023, 02:49 PM
Ha! Problem solved… 1 gallon of gasoline weighs approximately 6.1 pounds. The Standard tank full (16.9 gal) = 103.09 lbs. The Extended tank full (23.7 gal) = 144.57 lbs. 41.48 extra pounds via a full extended range tank.
A simple solution is to order the extended tank and only fill it to what the regular tank capacity is, 16.9 gallons and only fully fill it when needed.
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12-20-2023, 03:04 PM
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With all due respect, 45-65 mph is not quite "ridiculous speed"
And, you don't want to drift the 911, especially if you don't drift or move cars at the limit for most of the time.
Watch some videos from PEC, where they use the "kick/sliding plate".
Most have no idea how to catch a sliding 911. And again, explains why Porsche did not only remove the RAS, but installed some crutches to compensate for its absence ("differently tuned" PASM, PSM, steering ratio, etc.)
And, you don't want to drift the 911, especially if you don't drift or move cars at the limit for most of the time.
Watch some videos from PEC, where they use the "kick/sliding plate".
Most have no idea how to catch a sliding 911. And again, explains why Porsche did not only remove the RAS, but installed some crutches to compensate for its absence ("differently tuned" PASM, PSM, steering ratio, etc.)
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12-20-2023, 03:25 PM
Three Wheelin'
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12-20-2023, 03:35 PM
Hilarious. Turbo S coming back for more…
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12-20-2023, 03:38 PM
WEIGHT CONUNDRUM!!
Never mind the weight implications of RAS, FAL, extended fuel tank etc etc
Porsche engineers when developing their cars base their calculations on the average weight of North American and European men.
That average is 86.5kg (190 pounds).
So all you guys out there that weigh more than the average, need to consider the implications your extra weight is having on your car’s handling.
Shave off a few kg’s or pounds and you’ll notice the difference…….apparently👍
Never mind the weight implications of RAS, FAL, extended fuel tank etc etc
Porsche engineers when developing their cars base their calculations on the average weight of North American and European men.
That average is 86.5kg (190 pounds).
So all you guys out there that weigh more than the average, need to consider the implications your extra weight is having on your car’s handling.
Shave off a few kg’s or pounds and you’ll notice the difference…….apparently👍
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