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Old 12-05-2022, 09:39 PM
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Just got TYD email, estimated freeze date is Jan 21, start of production Feb 17.
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott P
"least special, special . . . ." very well put
And the least expensive special.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by s_earl1
Guess I'll jump in and say I'll likely be trading my 991.2 GT3 for my T. As much as I love my GT3 - and I mean truly love it... it's an absolutely perfect spec dream car for a lot of people... I just feel like it's "too special" for what I need / want out of a car right now and therefore don't reach for the keys very often. If I'm not going out for some 9k rips or weekend driving on the back roads, then I feel like I'm just not using the car correctly. Not to mention the roads are horrible and drivers are completely careless in my area (PGA Frisco). Everything is under construction due to the population growth so there's tons of debris and **** all over the roads and traffic is constantly miserable. So, the GT3 sits most of the time and regrettably has become a garage queen.

Re: 718 GT4 / Spyder... I haven't driven either (which I probably should before finalizing my order) but I have a feeling both are equally just as fun, if not more fun than a new T. But I think the T will be better suited for these roads until the construction is complete. Then I'll likely try to find a 992 Touring. Years away...

I'm definitely going to miss the 991.2 GT3 if I decide to trade. The sound it makes, the paint color, just everything. I'm well aware the T won't make me feel exactly like the GT3 does. I think we all know it's not a "GT3 Lite". For me, the T is ultimately the least special, special 911 I can get right now that'll still give me a small piece of what the GT3 gives. And I think I'll drive it more, so that could make up for everything else I'll be missing.
The roads round me played a massive part in me not getting on with the GT4 so completely understand. My T is so much more compliant than the GT4, it crashed and banged over every imperfection whereas the T is just perfect for me.

How much of this is down to the buckets in the GT4 I’m not sure as the T has comfort seats but it was a lesson for me.

As others have said GT4 if you track or T for the road.
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Old 12-05-2022, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by s_earl1
Guess I'll jump in and say I'll likely be trading my 991.2 GT3 for my T. As much as I love my GT3 - and I mean truly love it... it's an absolutely perfect spec dream car for a lot of people... I just feel like it's "too special" for what I need / want out of a car right now and therefore don't reach for the keys very often. If I'm not going out for some 9k rips or weekend driving on the back roads, then I feel like I'm just not using the car correctly. Not to mention the roads are horrible and drivers are completely careless in my area (PGA Frisco). Everything is under construction due to the population growth so there's tons of debris and **** all over the roads and traffic is constantly miserable. So, the GT3 sits most of the time and regrettably has become a garage queen.

Re: 718 GT4 / Spyder... I haven't driven either (which I probably should before finalizing my order) but I have a feeling both are equally just as fun, if not more fun than a new T. But I think the T will be better suited for these roads until the construction is complete. Then I'll likely try to find a 992 Touring. Years away...

I'm definitely going to miss the 991.2 GT3 if I decide to trade. The sound it makes, the paint color, just everything. I'm well aware the T won't make me feel exactly like the GT3 does. I think we all know it's not a "GT3 Lite". For me, the T is ultimately the least special, special 911 I can get right now that'll still give me a small piece of what the GT3 gives. And I think I'll drive it more, so that could make up for everything else I'll be missing.
I know this is an @sshole thing to say, but if you can - find a way to keep the GT3 and add on another sports car. I tried my hardest to make the “one sports car” thing happen and I just couldn’t make it work.

You are right in that the GT3 is an event car - if you can’t really drive it, then it’s almost frustrating to drive. It’s miserable to drive in traffic and over crap roads and around crap drivers. The flip side is - there are very few cars that will give you the feeling and sound of a 9k RPM NA motor and the driving experience of a GT3 (especially in manual).

The T would be a great compliment to the GT3, but if that’s not affordable, maybe find another car that fits that niche that’s not a 911. For me it was an M2 comp.

I just have a feeling that when the honeymoon wears off the T - you’re going to miss that GT3.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:42 AM
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So I was so happy I got the TYD email that I didn't even notice this, very first line of the email.



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Old 12-06-2022, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by minn19
Are you getting both at MSRP? I’d think both would hold their values quite well, but the GT4s seems to do especially well on that front.
Their bottom line was $15K over; my limit was $10K over. Currently planning to stay the course with the Carrera T...
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by adm63
So I was so happy I got the TYD email that I didn't even notice this, very first line of the email.

I'm suddenly less interested in a T
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Old 12-06-2022, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Better than you think.

The demand for the T only seems high on Rennlist. For most regular Porsche buyers, the T is not something really on their radar.
My dealer has wait lists for every 718 and 911 except the 718 T and 911 T.

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Old 12-06-2022, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by HerrDr
Two of the three Porsches I've owned have been black. And one other car as well. You get visible swirl marks just be looking at it slightly wrong. Pretty much the curse of buying used cars and I would NEVER buy a new car in black. They look mighty slick when new/polished/waxed, but man--so incredibly hard to maintain.
Originally Posted by Pivot
I never had a black car… they look great in the showroom… not so much on wet roads in the UK.
I think dirty black cars look good. Clean ones, too, of course.

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Old 12-06-2022, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by adm63
So I was so happy I got the TYD email that I didn't even notice this, very first line of the email.

There goes the ethos
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Old 12-06-2022, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by s_earl1
... I just feel like it's "too special" for what I need / want out of a car right now and therefore don't reach for the keys very often.
I do sympathize for you.
I use my 992 GTS as a daily drive and after my first 1.000km I start wondering if it is not just too much for an everyday use. I might be wrong but I believe that in the vast majority of the situations a 992T would probably tick all the boxes. Even on empty roads I got the feeling the power of the GTS is huge, more then what I can use (empty highways included).
I'll wait for the first few track days in Spring to decide whether to trade it in for a 992T or not.
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Old 12-06-2022, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TomTarzian
My dealer has wait lists for every 718 and 911 except the 718 T and 911 T.

God bless you,
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This would be more helpful if you provide the dealer name.
Old 12-06-2022, 09:32 AM
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Great to see what most of us have suspected for a while with the base/T

https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1327...l#post18501486

Dyno'ing at around 430hp at the crank.
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Old 12-06-2022, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
I know this is an @sshole thing to say, but if you can - find a way to keep the GT3 and add on another sports car. I tried my hardest to make the “one sports car” thing happen and I just couldn’t make it work.

You are right in that the GT3 is an event car - if you can’t really drive it, then it’s almost frustrating to drive. It’s miserable to drive in traffic and over crap roads and around crap drivers. The flip side is - there are very few cars that will give you the feeling and sound of a 9k RPM NA motor and the driving experience of a GT3 (especially in manual).

The T would be a great compliment to the GT3, but if that’s not affordable, maybe find another car that fits that niche that’s not a 911. For me it was an M2 comp.

I just have a feeling that when the honeymoon wears off the T - you’re going to miss that GT3.


100% agree, i have a 2016 GT4 for track days and backroads ripping, and a 992 arriving in March for “daily” driving and commuting. Keep both, there’s no perfect “1 car garage”
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Old 12-06-2022, 10:37 AM
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I'm trying to keep up with this thread...

I'm concerned about the lightweight glass issues on the GT3 showing up with the standard T glass. Any intel/info?


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