CaymanSinAR

Don't forget you can use the forum tools to ignore someone.

Go to User CP > Edit Ignore List > Add a Member to Your List.

Just type in the user's name and click Okay. Their posts will now automatically be hidden from view.

I don't think the Ignore functionality is as smart here as on some forums. Meaning if someone quotes the person on your Ignore list you'll still see the quoted post. Can't recall as I only have one person on Ignore here.

Just remember you have someone on ignore if there seems to be gaps in a thread or someone starts commenting about something you think is weirdly off topic. Might be because someone on Ignore said something to start the thread down that direction.

boyko23

CaymanSinAR, thanks.

hacker-pschorr

You define trolling as test driving a car and reporting on it? Since when is trolling posting something you don't agree with?

This is the only thread destaccado has started in the 992 forum. Outside of this thread, 28 posts over a 4 months is hardly excessive.

Lex, Go play hall monitor somewhere else.

For everyone else, if you don't like someone's review of the 992 (or anything) either post a rebuttal or just ignore the post. Or just post the user on ignore as suggested above.

LexVan

Perhaps you should read the information from Rob, our Admin.

destaccado

My posts, Rob's, yours, etc won't change the facts or move the market.

The 992 may be the most overpriced 911 ever made. In a day when you can go order a beautiful GT4 or Spyder to spec - it's jumped the shark. I never thought I'd see the day where the new Boxster / Cayman were more desirable models than a new 911 but in my opinion we're there.

The days of ragging on McLaren about their horrendous depreciation may not be over yet but it sure looks like Porsche is working hard at trying to join them.

In fairness, Panamera buyers are already used to heavy depreciation. Why would buyers of the mini version expect any different?

Riz

The 991.2 Carrera S is listed at 3175 lbs and a wider body 911 GTS at 3197 lbs
992 3340lbs

JHesketh

Love the science guy (and i’m a Brit).

The quote I keep thinking of when I read these posts about ‘unforced errors’ and ‘incoherent design language’ is from my Grandmama. Whenever i’d get strident she’d say quite deadpan: ‘well it’s a pity the good Lord didn’t consult you when he created the earth’.

I’ve driven the 997S and the 991.2S extensively, and the 992S for a couple of days before I bought. Thrash it up and down a few mountain passes and you will know that the notion that it is ‘no longer a sports car’ just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It’s fast, agile and you can’t help but grin from ear to ear.

ChicagoWhale

So many emotionally charged opinions and overly dramatic statements about about the demise of the 911…. pure lunacy. When people are left to complain about door handles and shifters you know it’s a home run.

The 992 is slightly bigger, but not by anything meaningful. It actually has the identical wheelbase as the 991, and the overall length is only greater by 20 mm which is due mostly to a more aggressive front end. The overall height is only taller by 4 mm. While 4 mm is nothing to begin with, the driver actually sits lower in the car. These are totally insignificant numbers. If you don’t like the width, you’d be in the vast minority and I’d advise you to turn your head when the turbos are announced. When was the last time you heard anyone say, “I don’t like the wide body.”

Regarding weight, the body structure is now 70% aluminum (compared to 30% before) which actually makes the structure 121 lbs lighter than the 991. The overall curb weight is up 163 lbs, due to numerous advances/additions in performance, electronics, comfort and technology. While weight is important in any sports car, it’s not nearly as crucial in these every-day 911’s which are never tracked. There’s not a single buyer of this car who will notice 160 lbs. 0-60 is quicker. Handling and braking is better. Weight to hp power ratio is slightly better. Driving it feels lighter, more nimble and agile — and the performance stats prove it.

Better performance: 0-60 quicker (.4 sec better than 991), quicker around the Nurburgring (5 seconds better), larger turbochargers, new injection technologies, electrical control over the waste-gate flaps, more torque (+22), more horsepower (+23), air flow to the turbochargers improved, better design and positioning of the air coolers creating better air flow, infinitely adjustable exhaust flaps, better engine mounts which are positioned differently.

Better PDK: additional gear, flash-shifting from the 991 GT models with better shift times and shift quality

Better aerodynamics: variable cooling flaps, reduced lift, 25% larger rear spoiler

More direct steering (10% better) with better feedback; stiffer torsion bar

Better braking feel with an electric brake booster and shorter pedal travel. Braking from 62 mph (100 k/h) is 3 feet shorter. From 186 mph is 39 feet shorter.

Better suspension with 4D chassis control, new PASM with adjustable dampers and better software, redesigned Porsche Traction Management

Better grip with completely new tire compound developed specifically for the 992 which contributes to better handling.

It’s strange to see Porsche "enthusiasts" on a Porsche forum slam so much of what Porsche engineers are creating these days. Calling them idiots, suggesting the success of the 911 is over, etc. Conversations about the 911R, the Speedster, the Taycan, the new 992 — there seems to be a group on Rennlist readily available all day to hate anything Porsche creates.

For everyone else, you'll love the 992.

ianmSC

Well first, I don't know how many 140k CPO Turbos are out there, a quick Autotrader search in Southern California they all seemed significantly higher. I also think the CPO car is a better deal because of the warranty thing is overstated. For example, a 2018 Turbo, so a one year old model car, could have been purchased in say, January of 2018. If you buy that car in 9/2019 when the new 992S is available, that's 21 months out of 72 months of warranty used, so 51 months remaining. A new car offers 48 months from the factory. The extra 3 months aren't nothing, but is it really worth paying the $2500 CPO warranty tax every dealer tells you about?

For example, there's a 2018 Turbo available in LA for $170k asking with 4500 miles and an original purchase date of 3/2018. Ok, so if you bought that in September vs a new 992S (which is at least 30k cheaper), you're getting 5 extra months of warranty. I just don't think that's a big enough deal to be like, CPO IS BETTER. And that's a relatively new model year CPO, a 2017 or 2016 CPO lease return is going to have 36 months or less of the warranty. There are going to be exceptions to this obviously, if you find a CPO (like my Dad's Macan GTS) that was 4 months old and CPO'd, you have 68 months of warranty, that's an extra 20 months over the new warranty. But I think you really need to be at 6-9 months or more over the factory warranty to see a significant benefit.

You can argue depreciation curves too, but based on my own trade-in and buying experience, the markup on CPO cars is very very high. My 718 Cayman was listed for sale at 12k more than I was given in trade. 42k vs 54k. That's 23.3% of markup over trade in value. 911's have better depreciation but I'm sure the dealer markup is about the same, so if you're buying a 2017 CPO 911 GTS (let's say) for 135k vs paying 133k (140k x 5% discount) for a new 2020 992S, is the markup and warranty situation really that much different?

Porsche911GTS'16

Mr. Whale - I appreciate your opinion even though I disagree. The devil is in the details. Some of the details in the 992 are a mess. The cup holder, the nubbin, the faulty door handles. The front fascia and the rear are both a mess to my eyes. From a driving dynamics standpoint, it sounds like the car is a winner. But there is more to the driving experience than how well the car drives. Jancko put a sock on the nubbin which speaks volumes about what he thinks about that detail. To you, it may be insignificant and to you it may be quibbling. To others, myself included, it is a major misfire by Porsche. We are all welcome to our opinions. No one is in the right here.

Addendum: And the fact that the car is heavier is a huge turn-off for me. The 991 was larger than the 997 but lighter. Not so with the 992. Porsche took 2 steps forward in some areas (steering, 0-60 speed, for instance) but they took 1 step back in others (nubbin, cup holder, Tron rear light, car weight, Tesla-esque flush door handles...).

911boy

Good post. +1.

911boy

Thats all this is...YOUR opinion, unfortunately you make it all sound like facts. Good luck getting a GT4 for a couple of years . I'm with Lex here.

911boy

Have you driven the new Vette?? So, virtually everyone that tested the 992 is paid and wrong? Interesting.

hacker-pschorr

Wow, best description I've read yet. Makes a lot of sense.

Don't forget, a "coupe" in today's world is a 4-door sedan with a swooping roofline (Mercedes CLS, BMW 4-series grand coupe....). So there's no telling how many doors this new "coupe" will have.

BMW even calls their X6 SUV a coupe. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

STG

All that matters in the end is >>>> will buyers fork out the $$$$$ ?????

I predict the 992 won't be a home run. Doubt it will surpass 991.2 sales #'s

It's gotten way too expensive for what you get.