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150 lbs heavier than 991.2, incoherent design, trying to looking like an aircooled car and a modern electric car at the same time, cheap interior materials in a six figure car, the nubbin. Just terrible design all around, it can't call itself a sports car with a straight face any longer. I plan to skip the entire 992 generation.
The 911 isn't a special car anymore. Might as well spend half the money on a BMW M series or a Merc, the final outcome is the same.
I think the difference in weights is mostly down to the fact that the way cars are weighed has changed by regulation. Previously they'd list the weight of the absolute lightest spec and now there's some other standard they have to follow.
I'm guessing the 991.2 and 992 weigh pretty similarly with similar options.
The 992 didn't feel bigger than the 991 to me. It did feel like an overpriced, uninspiring turd that its owners are going to lose their shirts (and maybe even their pants too) on.
If Porsche wants to fly me business class to their next event, put me up in a nice hotel, feed me, and let me thrash their car on a racetrack I promise I'll write something substantially more diplomatic next time.
Porsche rarely makes a misstep in terms of making a better car; one can argue on design decisions, but the overall package is usually a continuous evolution of driving bliss.
That being said, the price of this new 992 is a bit shocking. I’m a Porsche guy to the end, but when I build one it’s impossible to spec it under $140k. For that coin I could get a CPO Turbo for a daily driver and have more warranty length. For me the cost is the shocking part that makes me pause. All of my GT3s and RSs I’ve ordered where obviously more expensive but I never questioned the cost as they seemed worth it. This new 992, I’m struggling.
with a curb weight of 3,600-3,700 lbs, and 495 hp, you're looking at similar lbs/hp with the 992 c2s, so the the acceleration numbers will be very close. With Chevy reporting SAE numbers and Porsche reporting worse case scenario hp numbers, it will be very close indeed.
with a wheelbase of over 10 inches longer and a width over 3 inches wider as well as the length about 4 inches longer- the c8 will likely drive like a much larger vehicle, and with RAS offered on the 992, the differences will be even larger. These cars will not drive similarly and depending on what you prefer, you should choose accordingly.
The Chevy announcements were made without cars to drive for journalists, much like Tesla, I believe their main goals were to get deposits on cars and create social media hype. They've succeeded as much of 2020 allocations are "sold" even though Chevy has not disclosed how many they were planning to make.
With about 6000 c7's leftover on dealer lots, however, I am not sure how this helps their franchisees or current c7 owners. These allocations are not buildable cars as they have not released the prices of the options. They merely took your deposit for your place in line without any journalists reviewing their cars or giving you feedback on the drive.
The price of 60k for the base model without destination is great, however even c and d says that well optioned stingrays could be close to 100k, which is still a good price.
^^^ I priced a C7 Z06 and it came to ~114k and I priced a ZR1 and it came to ~145k. I was initially enthusiastic about the C8 because it was something new to the market and in side profile looked great - however, the more I looked the less I liked it (Construction method, intakes indicating air flow, weight and general look of the exterior from other angles and the interior). The other point to note was despite extensive ring testing - no times were released and to be honest 0-60 is not really the number to look at. Anyway, good job Chevy for having the nuts to have a go. Mid-engined cars are very hard to get right. . I hope it works out for them.
Will large numbers of 911 buyers cross shop? I think some will suck it and see but not in great numbers. Some potential Cayman buyers will definitely move on the C8. Also there appears to be a body of buyers that seem to want to chase HP - which is not what Porsche has ever been about.
IMO the 992 is luxury GT car all the way. An incredible one for sure. Smoother, bigger, luxurious, for the most part quiet though ( Sorry the tuned and piped in exhaust sound of the 992s turbo 3.0 does not sound in any way like a raspy, howling , barking NA 3.8.or 4.0 ) . For all intent and purpose it really just feels like an edgier version of a Panamera.
That's why Porsche has segmented the " Purist " model offerings, the GT cars, limited production models, the skinnied down 911 T. Anyway, analog 911s are gone . The future is EV and digital that's just reality. No matter how much money one might have to spend, for the best purist 911 experience, it is 997.2 back.
Originally Posted by destaccado
Got a chance to drive a 992 C4S for an entire day around Germany. My dealer gave me one for free while my GT3 was in for an oil change.
Wow. Yuck.
The engine sounds like a turd. Granted that's coming out of a 991.2 GT3 but I digress...it sounded really horrible compared to my old 991.1 as well. Common-sense to most of us but still worth pointing out because the difference is that vast.
The interior is definitely not going to age well at all and isn't even impressive today. Everything from the silly Braun razor stub to the miles and miles of screens that are going to look like 1960's television technology before the "?994?" is even released. Due to the positioning of the steering wheel, you can't even see all of the gauges at the same time because the steering wheel blocks the view of the far left and far right one. Clearly, whoever designed the interior is an idiot. The only thing I can speak positively on is that the toggle switches are a bit nicer than some of the buttons on the center tunnel of the 991....but don't get too excited because the 992 has plenty of cheap buttons as well. The door handles felt much more "GT" than sports car as well.
The price was mind-boggling. This one was 164,000 euros or only about 15,000 less than my GT3 that has 10,000 in CXX options alone. Granted it had a bunch of needless stuff I wouldn't have optioned but it didn't have lightweight buckets or Burmeister either.
Suspension and brakes were great. Without taking it on a track I didn't notice it feeling that much different in those areas from my GT3.
Honestly, spending a lot of time in Germany and understanding a bit of the leftist European politics I feel this is car is the poor effort resultant of two major factors;
- China becoming a more dominant market
- European emission regulations
I have trouble believing that this is the car Porsche would have built if they had another option.
I'm only coming out with this review now so that the true enthusiasts out there take a step back and give the C8 a chance. America hasn't gone full retard yet and though I've never considered a Chevy, were I to look at a new car in the US market I definitely would be.
Prediction: The guys buying this car new are going to lose their shirts.
Perhaps one way of looking at is this (a) Cayman "entry" level sports car with super car like handling (b) 992 the best grand tourer on the market (c) Weissach-Flacht cars ultimate performance for the ultimate enthusiast ..........or something like that.
"entry" level - not sure there is such a thing. The new GT4 looks like an absolute cracker and will be quite something with PDK
I remember my dad buying his first 911 in the early 80s. He crossed shopped with the new C4 Corvettes at the time. The 911 was more luxurious, smoother, more comfortable, less horsepower, worse engine sound, much more expensive, less modern looking, slower to 60 mph.... other than engine placement it seems not much has changed.
I remember my dad buying his first 911 in the early 80s. He crossed shopped with the new C4 Corvettes at the time. The 911 was more luxurious, smoother, more comfortable, less horsepower, worse engine sound, much more expensive, less modern looking, slower to 60 mph.... other than engine placement it seems not much has changed.
Well too bad they didn't have the GT3 back then because then your dad could have it all for about the same price as the 992 upfront (and substantially less after the 992 depreciates by 50% or so over the next 3 years).
Well too bad they didn't have the GT3 back then because then your dad could have it all for about the same price as the 992 upfront (and substantially less after the 992 depreciates by 50% or so over the next 3 years).
You are funny... Any other hobbies than hanging out the 992 forums? Sorry I am a very friendly person but everywhere I look there is you talking bad about this car. It is OK.
When I join this forum I thought it was a lot of people disliking the 992. But good thing, it is just you writing a lot...
You are funny... Any other hobbies than hanging out the 992 forums? Sorry I am a very friendly person but everywhere I look there is you talking bad about this car. It is OK.
When I join this forum I thought it was a lot of people disliking the 992. But good thing, it is just you writing a lot...
Just ignore the TROLL, Ffm99x, they go away after a while. Thanks for the PM.
07-29-2019, 10:18 PM
