olsonreels

Saw a guards red 4s in the wild in Aboyne Scotland middle of May while on vacation. Happened to be at the hotel we were staying at so of course had to take a good hard look. I just don’t understand debating personal opinion on minutiae...yet here I am. Car looked fantastic inside and out. The sticking points repeated ad nauseam on this board just don’t stand out to me. Shoulder shrug. Whatever.

I prefer the older cars with 5 instruments ringed in metal and covered in glass (surrounded by top notch vinyl). No dog in this fight. Nonetheless, first (visual only) impression was very positive.

To each their own...

CaymanSinAR

That's kinda what happened to me. I went to PEC Atlanta specifically to drive a Carrera T. Wanted to to go hands-on with the 7MT and pick up one of the last of the new 991.2 Ts before it was too late. Walked in the door at PEC Atlanta and the first thing greeting me was a silver 992. Walked all around it and peeked inside both windows. Turned to my wife and said, "Well, this trip was a waste of time and money. I'm getting a 992 now!"

limegreen

Same for me. I have owned 8+ Porsche's which includes every major generation of 911 starting with when I was in highschool 20 years ago. I'm in a weird place because I represent not only the younger buyer but also someone who has climbed through the ranks starting with 944's and ending with my current 991.1.

I am not happy with the 992 and have really struggled to see how other members are so far off from my point of view on the 992. Especially when I encounter so many other Porsche guys / enthusiasts in the real world who's concerns regarding the car so closely match my own. Perhaps I'm just not running in the same circles?

verstraete

Comparison of the 992 to the 991.2 must necessarily be based on opinion and individual perspective and individual priorities. Let me offer mine.

My lightly equipped 2017 Launch Edition 991.2 S MT will reach the four year mark in 2020. At that point, I will either purchase an extended warranty and pay for the 4 year/40 k service or trade the 2017 in for a new Porsche. If I could special order a new MT 991.2 S at 2019 prices, I would definitely go that way. My only purchase option in 2020, however, will be a 992 S for approximately 10k more than a similarly equipped MT 991.2 S. The 10k figure is based on no assumed price reduction for the MT when it finally appears.

I have no problem with most of the changes to the 992. On the other hand, none of them appeal to me in the slightest. I am perfectly satisfied with 420 hp and no rain mode, for example. The 992 interior, however, is a real turn off to me. As a mechanical watch type person who much prefers analog gages and buttons to touch screens and LCD displays, I strongly dislike it. The 991,2 to 992 interior comparison reminds me of a comparison of an original Omega Speedmaster Professional to a 1970s vintage Seiko with an LCD display. Actually, some of the forward to the future comments supporting the 992 interior, sound like those made supporting the Seiko at its introduction. The 992 does not offer 10 k of additional value to me. In fact, its value differential, to me, given my preferences, is negative.

I will sooner or later move on from my 2017 991.2. If I end up eventually purchasing a 992 or one of its Porsche successors, it will only be because the of limited choices available to me. I purchased my last used car in 1980, and don't intend to do so again, unless it is a well-aged appreciating vintage classic, not intended for a DD. .

aggie57

Hardly surprising, the US is 5% of the worlds population. China is more like 18.5% with a growing middle class.

Chris3963

China might be a bigger market for Porsche cars but they sell more 911s in the US than in China.

Drifting

Exactly. The China market is largely driven by poseur drivers. Macan, cayenne, Panamera, and to a lesser degree cayman/boxster.

Very few real Porsche sports cars are purchased in china. So fewer 911 Carreras, and only tiny number of GT cars compared to US.

ipse dixit

Correct.

But the profit drivers in the Porsche portfolio is no longer the 911.

STG

Better chat here:

https://rennlist.com/forums/other-ma...vette-137.html

hacker-pschorr

The fact that 911's are but a tiny portion of the master portfolio now and the never ending rumors of a Panamera Coupe....it sure seemed like a ripe time for Porsche to roll back the ever expanding waistline of the 911 and go back to more of a sports car. Especially because of the Panamera Coupe (assuming it's actually happening).

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the GT3 version is like.

From a few Google searches, the average age of a new Porsche buyer is 52 (typical buyer range 46-65), Boxster is 47 (typical buyer range 36-55). I'm sure people can find all sorts of links that refute this, that's what I went with for my comment.

You clearly didn't study marketing. Age is a major factor in every aspect of forming a business model for a new product. You're clearly grasping at straws as your arguments fall apart.

I'm a Porsche owner who can afford a 992. Please find me someone at Porsche corporate who will point to me and say: "Yup, we are not targeting him at all".
I used to have a Boxster S in the garage, and considering I'm approaching the typical buyer age range, I'm the specific target for a new 911, former Boxster owner, current Porsche owner, looking to upgrade.......

You're so full of it Lex. Smartest guy in the room syndrome. As if you have any clue what my buying habits are, tastes, plans for future cars etc...

When the 992 was initially announced I started to ponder "Hmmm...will this be the one" (meaning ditching the vintage metal and going modern, something I ponder all the time). As of right now, not interested while a 997 or N/A 991 seems pretty nice. A close friend, owner of a 991.1 was looking forward to the premier and upgrading too (this would be his 9th Porsche) and he's lost interest too. I guess he's not the target market either?

So now you're going to tell me current 991 owners are not the target market either?

Let me guess, the "target market" is just anyone who just happens to like the new car? That would be a convenient catch all response I guess. I don't hate the 992, I'm just not all that excited about it.

groundhog

I have noticed that every Porsche iteration has its devotees and advocates along with its naysayers and detractors. I don't think is unusual . I think the 992 will have buyers that love the car and indeed most aspects of it and then find the 994 isn't for them.

I, like others, have my favourites e.g. 981 GTS, that engine in that state of tune in that car is so right , 991.2 series, biggest step change between generations ever and in S and GTS guise - mini supercars and now the II 3RS - but thats just my opinion, and what works for me

Having said that I'm with you, so far the 992 is not a car for me but I can equally appreciate and believe that it is a car for others who appreciate the car for different reasons or prefer the evolution.

Thats the beauty of Porsche they have an uncanny ability to read the market and provide something new for a new and evolved market.

In a long winded way I'm saying what works for me may not be liked by others and what others like may not work for me. Its not right or wrong, better or worse but more apple pie or apple strudl e.g. same but different.

Having said that I'll leave this here - I think it defines emotive (at least to some degree) - switch up the volume

CaymanSinAR

Is something up with the forum or is Hacker-Pschorr's avatar obnoxiously huge for everyone else too?

It's like the forum software is no longer scaling it to a reasonable size.

LexVan

He's "special".

GTS1

End of day , it's really not about whether older analog 911 or modern digital, if you are drawn to it and it makes you happy and provides enjoyment , then it's a great car . I enjoy late 80s Carreras and 997.2 generation 911s . Particularly 88 3.2s and 997 GTS. Vastly different from an evolutionary standpoint, but both seem to provide me with similar incredibly enjoyable driving experiences . The 991.2 and 992s just dont compel me from an aural / sound and visual/looks standpoint, so I wouldn't buy one. That doesn't mean the 992s are not excellent.

911boy

Hope everyone here reads that. Well said.