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Agree with Bruce. The 992 GT3 is great......if you track very frequently as it is clearly superior on the track to a 991.
The 992 GT3 is not great if you only track a 2-3 times a year, but mostly use your GT car for canyon blasts, long weekend trips, and sunday drives. I'm very content with my 991.2 GT3 which is superior to the 992 for those three things, and looks far better inside and out, IMHO.
I have no interest in a 992 GT3.....because of my usage, but a 992 GT3/RS would be an incredible car...... if 90% used for track days.
The 992 GT3 is not great if you only track a 2-3 times a year, but mostly use your GT car for canyon blasts, long weekend trips, and sunday drives. I'm very content with my 991.2 GT3 which is superior to the 992 for those three things, and looks far better inside and out, IMHO.
I have no interest in a 992 GT3.....because of my usage, but a 992 GT3/RS would be an incredible car...... if 90% used for track days.
Just got the 992 GT3 two days ago and have already put almost 300 miles on it, mostly (very) spirited backroads driving. So far, I'm enjoying the 992 GT3 more than any of the others. Maybe that will change as I drive it more, but I kind of doubt it.
Seeing the changes made to create the S/T after having some seat time in the 992 GT3, I now better understand the appeal of the S/T.
#3543
I dunno, I have two 991 cars (.2 C4S cab and .2 3RS) and two 992 cars (TTS and GT3). Had a 991.1 GT3 for 8 years, put 43k miles on it.
Just got the 992 GT3 two days ago and have already put almost 300 miles on it, mostly (very) spirited backroads driving. So far, I'm enjoying the 992 GT3 more than any of the others. Maybe that will change as I drive it more, but I kind of doubt it.
Seeing the changes made to create the S/T after having some seat time in the 992 GT3, I now better understand the appeal of the S/T.
Just got the 992 GT3 two days ago and have already put almost 300 miles on it, mostly (very) spirited backroads driving. So far, I'm enjoying the 992 GT3 more than any of the others. Maybe that will change as I drive it more, but I kind of doubt it.
Seeing the changes made to create the S/T after having some seat time in the 992 GT3, I now better understand the appeal of the S/T.
As i have said in other posts the car on anything but glass smooth roads is abysmal to drive, with tramlining and the front so darty pulling on any pavement imperfections, it became annoying and unrewarding and not enjoyable after awhile. But put it on a track and the car comes alive and is simply wonderful and intoxicating, you never want to get out.
in descriptions of the ST it seems Porsche basically admitted the problems with the 992 GT3 and seems to have dialed those annoying handling characteristics out of the car. What’s fascinating is that finally now Journos are mentioning those annoying characteristics of the 992 GT3. Sadly I will never get an ST as I didn’t buy a 918, but would take one in a heartbeat to enjoy on the backroads
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As i have said in other posts the car on anything but glass smooth roads is abysmal to drive, with tramlining and the front so darty pulling on any pavement imperfections, it became annoying and unrewarding and not enjoyable after awhile. But put it on a track and the car comes alive and is simply wonderful and intoxicating, you never want to get out.
I’m sure you were using the optimum pressures on track.
Last edited by GrantG; 10-01-2023 at 07:47 AM.
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Were you using the recommended tire pressures on the door jamb or the performance pressures that are hidden in the manual, that are several psi lower? And the onboard tire pressure gauge encourages you to over-inflate the pressures even further as they understate pressure by a couple psi. The extra ~7psi per tire can make a pretty big difference on the road.
I’m sure you were using the optimum pressures on track.
I’m sure you were using the optimum pressures on track.
#3546
absolutely, as someone who spends most weekends at tracks i always have a tire pressure gauge on hand. Also, usually meant that tires were under inflated by time I got to driving the car after a weekend. If you are fortunate enough to live in an area where the roads are perfectly paved without any imperfections then you probably don’t notice this particular handling nuance , but those of us who do it’s really annoying
I always attributed this characteristic to the stiff springs that are required to resist the high levels of downforce in the new GT3. Surprised to learn that the S/T seems to have overcome the issue with software alone.
Last edited by GrantG; 10-01-2023 at 07:53 AM.
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Perception of ride quality depends on both the roads and expectations. I drove my 992 GT3 a hundred miles yesterday on a variety of roads, and the thought never crossed my mind that the ride quality was unacceptable, and some of the time I noticed how good the ride quality is.
But I agree that the GT3 suspension is tuned mainly for the track, and a touring version should be tuned mainly for the road. If that can be done with software, Porsche should have done it for the touring, or better yet, they should have put comfort, sport, and track damping modes in both the winged and touring versions. Maybe we’ll see something like that in the 992.2.
But I agree that the GT3 suspension is tuned mainly for the track, and a touring version should be tuned mainly for the road. If that can be done with software, Porsche should have done it for the touring, or better yet, they should have put comfort, sport, and track damping modes in both the winged and touring versions. Maybe we’ll see something like that in the 992.2.
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The need for Torque with the Light clutch will require alot more throttle in put from the driver prior to releasing the clutch which is what a real manual is about. When AP says he just dumps the clutch made me wonder...... "Has he actually drove it hard considering there's not enough power from that motor to just dump and rip". The horrible 0-60 times highlight this sentiment.
I learned to drive manuals in Vipers and it was easily a sink or swim scenario and compared to driving a manual GT3, the GT3 is incredibly elementary and I feel the GT3 ST if anything has a clutch that requires actual driver understanding of a clutch and how to feel for it.
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The problem with the 992 GT3 is not the ride, it’s tolerable even on roads that aren’t perfect, I would never say it’s harsh or rough. But rather It’s how active and darty the steering becomes over any tiny road imperfections. The car simply grabs and pulls in any/alls directions , so you are constantly making steering wheel corrections simply to keep the car on the road. After awhile it’s annoying as heck and far from enjoyable. Again, once on track the it’s a stunning piece of equipment. But you can read through the lines and see that Porsche addressed this annoyance in the ST to make it more road focused.
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The problem with the 992 GT3 is not the ride, it’s tolerable even on roads that aren’t perfect, I would never say it’s harsh or rough. But rather It’s how active and darty the steering becomes over any tiny road imperfections. The car simply grabs and pulls in any/alls directions , so you are constantly making steering wheel corrections simply to keep the car on the road. After awhile it’s annoying as heck and far from enjoyable. Again, once on track the it’s a stunning piece of equipment. But you can read through the lines and see that Porsche addressed this annoyance in the ST to make it more road focused.