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991.2 3RS is worse in that regard. But I just deal with it, it’s part of the wild ride.
i had a 991.2 3RS for 3 years, in my opinion was nowhere near as darty 992 GT3 on public roads. But everyone has opinions! I have been saying this about 992 GT3 since I got mine 2 years ago, it’s just fascinating that finally journalists are starting to mention it…probably worried about getting uninvited to the next Porsche trip
From: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Originally Posted by disden
i had a 991.2 3RS for 3 years, in my opinion was nowhere near as darty 992 GT3 on public roads. But everyone has opinions! I have been saying this about 992 GT3 since I got mine 2 years ago, it’s just fascinating that finally journalists are starting to mention it…probably worried about getting uninvited to the next Porsche trip
I have both cars now, have driven them on the same roads. The 3RS seems to tramline worse, and I think this could be shown with objective measurements. Maybe your alignments were different? My two cars are currently at factory spec alignments for combined road/track use.
The problem with the 992 GT3 is not the ride, it’s tolerable even on roads that aren’t perfect, I would never say it’s harsh or rough. But rather It’s how active and darty the steering becomes over any tiny road imperfections. The car simply grabs and pulls in any/alls directions , so you are constantly making steering wheel corrections simply to keep the car on the road. After awhile it’s annoying as heck and far from enjoyable. Again, once on track the it’s a stunning piece of equipment. But you can read through the lines and see that Porsche addressed this annoyance in the ST to make it more road focused.
which is a bit counterintuitive if you think about, with the S/T history and all…
Today at heard this and the other 5 press cars are zero VIN cars that will be destroyed when the tour is over. Had no idea they do this now. Apparently new rules mandate it. Anyone have more details on this? Made me cringe. Looks stunning in Bahama.
which is a bit counterintuitive if you think about, with the S/T history and all…
The new ST has little to do with the other ST other than both share the light weight focus. The original ST was a kit sold by the factory that could be customized by each buyer. Some where installed by the factory. Others were installed by privateers on their S cars. There is no such thing as an ST badge and it's almost arbitrary what to call an ST and what not to. There's a great piece on 000's 10th issue about the ST titled Misunderstood.
The ST kit was the predecessor the to 73 RS and given there already is a GT3 and an RS, it makes little sense to recreate the ST as a track car. Given the popularity of the R and Touring, it makes complete sense to recreate it as a road car IMO.
Today at heard this and the other 5 press cars are zero VIN cars that will be destroyed when the tour is over. Had no idea they do this now. Apparently new rules mandate it. Anyone have more details on this? Made me cringe. Looks stunning in Bahama.
I was watching the most recent seen through glass YT video where they tour the Porsche factory - in one part they pass 7 918 Spyders and the factory guide says that they had/have 15 918s, that they’re all 000 or 0000 cars and can’t be sold so they’re all stored in the museum. Is there a new rule that they can’t store them? I’d find it strange if they make manufacturers destroy their cars bs storing them
The problem with the 992 GT3 is not the ride, it’s tolerable even on roads that aren’t perfect, I would never say it’s harsh or rough. But rather It’s how active and darty the steering becomes over any tiny road imperfections. The car simply grabs and pulls in any/alls directions , so you are constantly making steering wheel corrections simply to keep the car on the road. After awhile it’s annoying as heck and far from enjoyable. Again, once on track the it’s a stunning piece of equipment. But you can read through the lines and see that Porsche addressed this annoyance in the ST to make it more road focused.
Originally Posted by Manifold
991.2 3RS is worse in that regard. But I just deal with it, it’s part of the wild ride.
Originally Posted by disden
i had a 991.2 3RS for 3 years, in my opinion was nowhere near as darty 992 GT3 on public roads. But everyone has opinions! I have been saying this about 992 GT3 since I got mine 2 years ago, it’s just fascinating that finally journalists are starting to mention it…probably worried about getting uninvited to the next Porsche trip
Originally Posted by Manifold
I have both cars now, have driven them on the same roads. The 3RS seems to tramline worse, and I think this could be shown with objective measurements. Maybe your alignments were different? My two cars are currently at factory spec alignments for combined road/track use.
All GT cars have widely adjustable alignments and suspensions. They can all be made to feel 'darty' or 'stable' at will.
From: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Originally Posted by hf1
All GT cars have widely adjustable alignments and suspensions. They can all be made to feel 'darty' or 'stable' at will.
I think disden is referring to tramlining specifically, not dartiness. If you’ve experienced your car wanting to suddenly and unexpectedly fly off the road, you’ve experienced tramlining.
I think disden is referring to tramlining specifically, not dartiness. If you’ve experienced your car wanting to suddenly and unexpectedly fly off the road, you’ve experienced tramlining.
They're related. The dartier the car, the more tramlining it will experience. All easily resolvable via alignment/suspension adjustment.
But, for example, reducing camber would likely also reduce performance, particularly front-end grip and quality of the turn in.
That trade-off is typical for ALL GT cars. There's no free lunch. The differences in the abilities of GT cars to make these adjustments & trade-offs are much smaller than journalists and Porsche marketing make them appear. They even set 'recommended' alignment settings for different models to fit their marketing narratives, while in reality with alignment adjustments the narrative can be easily reversed.
From: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
These two reviews by Harry are of interest with respect to the ride quality, tramlining, and possible influence of alignment. The GT3 is PDK and the touring is manual. I suspect that Harry enjoyed the touring more mainly because of the manual.
i had a 991.2 3RS for 3 years, in my opinion was nowhere near as darty 992 GT3 on public roads. But everyone has opinions! I have been saying this about 992 GT3 since I got mine 2 years ago, it’s just fascinating that finally journalists are starting to mention it…probably worried about getting uninvited to the next Porsche trip
I too have both gens and just can't see this being the case without overinflated tires on the 992. The 992 with proper performance tire pressures is not any more darty than the 991. I did experience exactly what you're describing when my pressures in the 992 were at or near 40psi. Many people did. When lowered to around 30psi this goes away. Of course you can tweak this away even further with alignment. Based on your posts it seems you track often so I'm sure you're aware of your pressures even when on normal roads but I have yet to see a single other person share your opinion with the lower pressures on both gens.
I don't find my 992 darty compared to my 991.2 either, but the steering is certainly noticeably faster ratio around center in the 992. You need to pay attention at speed.
10-01-2023 | 09:26 PM
