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Old 11-07-2021 | 06:34 PM
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In Porsche’s defense, they never advertised PCCB as low dust…
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In Porsche’s defense, they never advertised PCCB as low dust…

True - and they never advertised a smooth, judder free brake pedal. LOL
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Old 11-07-2021 | 06:47 PM
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True - and they never advertised a smooth, judder free brake pedal. LOL
So the dust appears to be causing some slippage??

That’s BS and not safe.
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I would seek compensation from Porsche if I were you guys. This will go all the way to a major recall.

Also, I would fill out NHTSA form and lodge a formal complaint.

Its one thing to have to go through all kinds of hoops to get this car be it the ADM or dealer games, then wait months, then wait some more for tpms chips and sun sensors, and then this? Come on. Porsche has to make this right.
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
I would seek compensation from Porsche if I were you guys. This will go all the way to a major recall.

Also, I would fill out NHTSA form and lodge a formal complaint.

Its one thing to have to go through all kinds of hoops to get this car be it the ADM or dealer games, then wait months, then wait some more for tpms chips and sun sensors, and then this? Come on. Porsche has to make this right.
Hopefully it’s just a pad change.
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Hopefully it’s just a pad change.
It sounds like even the 991 pads might be replaced with these no copper pads. So I dont know if this is a sustainable solution.
Old 11-07-2021 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
It sounds like even the 991 pads might be replaced with these no copper pads. So I dont know if this is a sustainable solution.
They probably will be at some point. If they cannot deliver cars to California with them, why should it be legal to sell them for other cars if a non-copper alternative is available? On top of that, it will be easier and cheaper for Porsche to only manufacture one pad rather than two.

On the flip side, if they stick to the normal copper laced pads for cars outside of the US, then there's the possibility of ordering overseas and get the toxic pads of doom that way.
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
It sounds like even the 991 pads might be replaced with these no copper pads. So I dont know if this is a sustainable solution.
Racing compound pads? Racing parts are not subject to road regulations. I do not think anyone will be checking brake pad compound.
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Racing compound pads? Racing parts are not subject to road regulations. I do not think anyone will be checking brake pad compound.
In the end Pagid will see the opportunity and make something for us, unless the 991 pads fit and remain in production .
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In the end Pagid will see the opportunity and make something for us, unless the 991 pads fit and remain in production .
They already do. It's called the RSC1.
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They already do. It's called the RSC1.

I didn’t realize they made it yet for 992. Looked it up, same pad as 991. Encouraging.

This will all be resolved this week whether it be with RSC1 or 991 pads - that remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by sgroer
I didn’t realize they made it yet for 992. Looked it up, same pad as 991. Encouraging.

This will all be resolved this week whether it be with RSC1 or 991 pads - that remains to be seen.
Does the RSC1 on a 991.2 GT3 squeal around town? Or for track use?

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Does the RSC1 on a 991.2 GT3 squeal around town? Or for track use?

Asking for a friend. Thanks.

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In every single street application I have used RSC1 pads, they have been better than OE. Being it a Porsche, Ferrari or what ever. Remember that RSC1 pads are not race pads. They are an evolution of the street pad Brembo currently supplies for Ferrari, Lamborghini, Corvette, Mercedes etc. It's a modern version of the T4300 pad which is the most commonly used compound for OE ceramic street applications.

Smoother, quieter, better wear, runs cooler etc. Will it always kill all noise? Depends on the discs. The old school Brembo CCM rotors are simply not always quiet, but the RSC1 makes them as quiet as possible. The Porsche discs which are more similar to the ST CCST rotors really like them and in my personal experience, they are very quiet. I have also run the more track focused RSC2 in these applications, and that actually retains a lot of the comfort of the RSC1. A bit more grabby and can give the odd squeak, but much harder wearing on track.

But for street use, the RSC1 is very hard to beat.

Additionally, I strongly suggest using this stuff. https://products.liqui-moly.com/brak...-squeal-3.html
Remove the disc and apply it on the hub flange. Then when installing the pads, apply it where the pad and pistons contact each other, as well as the edges where the pad makes contact with the springs and caliper.

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Originally Posted by sgroer
I was able to confirm today that the new pads for PCCB are in fact a new compound and it started in the 992. This compound is due to environmental regulations as we had been suspecting. We will likely continue to see dust and juddering at varying levels. We can all breathe easy knowing that our cars may be getting 11mpg but the dust from the pads has a smaller environmental impact than the 991.

The big concern is that I suspect they may be discontinuing the 991 pads and replacing them with these. Have not confirmed that yet.

My 991 pads arrive soon and I am hoping they have a 991 part number. - that they aren’t the replacement pads. I have made some great contacts and connections through this process that are helping figure it out. The ultimate fallback is the Pagid RSC1 but many people aren’t crazy about running aftermarket pads on $30k rotors.

I am also looking to confirm that the 992 discs are the same compound as the 991 discs.
Are the pads new for all 992s or are they new for 2022 992s?
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Originally Posted by Il CP
In every single street application I have used RSC1 pads, they have been better than OE. Being it a Porsche, Ferrari or what ever. Remember that RSC1 pads are not race pads. They are an evolution of the street pad Brembo currently supplies for Ferrari, Lamborghini, Corvette, Mercedes etc. It's a modern version of the T4300 pad which is the most commonly used compound for OE ceramic street applications.

Smoother, quieter, better wear, runs cooler etc. Will it always kill all noise? Depends on the discs. The old school Brembo CCM rotors are simply not always quiet, but the RSC1 makes them as quiet as possible. The Porsche discs which are more similar to the ST CCST rotors really like them and in my personal experience, they are very quiet. I have also run the more track focused RSC2 in these applications, and that actually retains a lot of the comfort of the RSC1. A bit more grabby and can give the odd squeak, but much harder wearing on track.

But for street use, the RSC1 is very hard to beat.

Additionally, I strongly suggest using this stuff. https://products.liqui-moly.com/brak...-squeal-3.html
Remove the disc and apply it on the hub flange. Then when installing the pads, apply it where the pad and pistons contact each other, as well as the edges where the pad makes contact with the springs and caliper.
Thanks for the great information. Very much appreciated. How much are the front/rear RSC1's? Suncoast carry them also or is there a better buying source?

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