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07-12-2023, 08:19 AM
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What was the ADM on your GT3 Touring that locks soon? Most dealers are asking for more than a winged GT3.
my thought was to take the winged GT3 and buy Fabspeeds GT3 wing delete kit for $1,400 and a few hours of wrench work -and you have the same car but with a cool ducktail like the sport classic that the Touring does not have for some reason.
It seemed wrong that the msrp on a Touring is the same as the winged car but you don’t get the wing and the hangers that Porsche surely charges something close to $10,000 to buy as a part.
the advantage that I see with the Touring is that Porsche offers more interior colors and 911 options.
Colorado Springs Porsche has a gorgeous 2022 Touring in Olso blue with a chalk interior - I was about to make an offer when I got offered a 2024 allocation for a winged GT3 at $40,000 over msrp.
This Oslo blue Touring has a msrp of $216,000 and an asking price of $316,000 -a $100,000 for a low mileage Touring that is two model years older than my 24’ Winged GT3.
I will see if I like the wing or not- I think it blocks the rear view vision - which is a problem on the street in a quarter million dollar car. And the GT3 does not offer lane change assist - which could help on a track as well I would think. Only Porsche gives you a lot less in features and gets away with charging you more.
my thought was to take the winged GT3 and buy Fabspeeds GT3 wing delete kit for $1,400 and a few hours of wrench work -and you have the same car but with a cool ducktail like the sport classic that the Touring does not have for some reason.
It seemed wrong that the msrp on a Touring is the same as the winged car but you don’t get the wing and the hangers that Porsche surely charges something close to $10,000 to buy as a part.
the advantage that I see with the Touring is that Porsche offers more interior colors and 911 options.
Colorado Springs Porsche has a gorgeous 2022 Touring in Olso blue with a chalk interior - I was about to make an offer when I got offered a 2024 allocation for a winged GT3 at $40,000 over msrp.
This Oslo blue Touring has a msrp of $216,000 and an asking price of $316,000 -a $100,000 for a low mileage Touring that is two model years older than my 24’ Winged GT3.
I will see if I like the wing or not- I think it blocks the rear view vision - which is a problem on the street in a quarter million dollar car. And the GT3 does not offer lane change assist - which could help on a track as well I would think. Only Porsche gives you a lot less in features and gets away with charging you more.
No one uses lane change assist on track, or at least they shouldn’t attempt to do so.
07-12-2023, 02:19 PM
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also while the $40,000 over seems reasonable - my 2024 is costing me on the base price around 8% more than on a 2023 or 2022. What I lost was some options I could have ordered on a 2023 - the base price increased around $11,000 - so really I paid around a $50,000 ADM. But I am much happier saying to myself I only paid $40,000.
The prices of 911’s increased around 7% across the range. So maybe Porsche is sucking up some of the dealers ADM….
The prices of 911’s increased around 7% across the range. So maybe Porsche is sucking up some of the dealers ADM….
And while I understand the sentiment that some have about "just wait, and the ADM's will come down" -- the elephant in the room is that oftentimes the MSRP increases and there is still an ADM (maybe less, maybe more). So not only have you waited longer and lost time behind the wheel of a 911, but you're still paying the same if not more for ostensibly the same car.
That bird in the hand, even with an ADM, is generally always better than the one in the bush that supposedly comes without an ADM.
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07-12-2023, 03:29 PM
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And if they did, they would be out of business.
This is the danger of waiting.
And while I understand the sentiment that some have about "just wait, and the ADM's will come down" -- the elephant in the room is that oftentimes the MSRP increases and there is still an ADM (maybe less, maybe more). So not only have you waited longer and lost time behind the wheel of a 911, but you're still paying the same if not more for ostensibly the same car.
That bird in the hand, even with an ADM, is generally always better than the one in the bush that supposedly comes without an ADM.
This is the danger of waiting.
And while I understand the sentiment that some have about "just wait, and the ADM's will come down" -- the elephant in the room is that oftentimes the MSRP increases and there is still an ADM (maybe less, maybe more). So not only have you waited longer and lost time behind the wheel of a 911, but you're still paying the same if not more for ostensibly the same car.
That bird in the hand, even with an ADM, is generally always better than the one in the bush that supposedly comes without an ADM.
07-12-2023, 06:42 PM
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Independent dealer near me has a 992 GT3 with almost no miles on it listed for sale on consignment for $275k. No one has even made offers on the car, apparently because the asking price is so outlandish. The car isn't even all that pretty.
07-12-2023, 07:23 PM
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07-12-2023, 08:47 PM
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Sellers asking stupid prices (including dealers) will need to lower prices to clear the market otherwise those cars will be sitting and sitting and sitting.
07-12-2023, 08:48 PM
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07-12-2023, 09:06 PM
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I've bought some cars in the past year that could be categorized as impulse buys, but I was firm that the price had to be fair, otherwise I would just pass on the car. For me, some cars are a 'would really like to have', but none are a 'must have'. As much as I like them, I know they're just cars, and there are lots of fun cars to choose from across the whole price spectrum.
07-12-2023, 10:51 PM
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I think it's an emotional market, with substantial spread in what comparable cars are selling for. Maybe there are a lot of sellers who have time to wait and are setting prices high, hoping that someone comes along who loves the car and does an impulse buy.
I've bought some cars in the past year that could be categorized as impulse buys, but I was firm that the price had to be fair, otherwise I would just pass on the car. For me, some cars are a 'would really like to have', but none are a 'must have'. As much as I like them, I know they're just cars, and there are lots of fun cars to choose from across the whole price spectrum.
I've bought some cars in the past year that could be categorized as impulse buys, but I was firm that the price had to be fair, otherwise I would just pass on the car. For me, some cars are a 'would really like to have', but none are a 'must have'. As much as I like them, I know they're just cars, and there are lots of fun cars to choose from across the whole price spectrum.
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07-12-2023, 11:41 PM
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There is no "must have" car for me anymore but the closest car was the GT4RS as it was a "really want it bad to track the crap out of" car. You should ping your detail and tell them you want a GT4RS allocation if one becomes available, you'll love tracking a mid engine Porsche (and this is coming from someone who tracked a 996 Turbo, 997.2 GT3, 997.2 GT3RS, 997.2 GT3RS 4L, 991.1 GT3, 991.1 GT3RS, 991.2 GT3, 991.2 GT3RS, and a 992 Touring).
I’m actually looking at venturing beyond Porsche for the next car, I want more variety and getting a little tired of all the bs associated with getting Porsches. They’re great cars, but the exclusivity crap irritates me.
07-13-2023, 12:50 AM
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My dealer knows that if a 4RS allocation comes, I want it. But they’re not expecting to get any more allocations, and probably not my turn if they get only one.
I’m actually looking at venturing beyond Porsche for the next car, I want more variety and getting a little tired of all the bs associated with getting Porsches. They’re great cars, but the exclusivity crap irritates me.
I’m actually looking at venturing beyond Porsche for the next car, I want more variety and getting a little tired of all the bs associated with getting Porsches. They’re great cars, but the exclusivity crap irritates me.
That's not to say Porsche's cars aren't fantastic; they are. I will always have one in the garage. But there are other dealers and brands out there that will happily take your money for a superior product without playing games AND the brands provide a great experience post sale vs. Porsche dealers always felt like a revolving door.
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07-13-2023, 02:27 AM
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07-13-2023, 02:54 AM
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I know this is Rennlist so anyone speaking against Porsche gets run off with pitchforks but every single person I know that's given McLaren/Lambo a chance has never looked back. Myself included.
That's not to say Porsche's cars aren't fantastic; they are. I will always have one in the garage. But there are other dealers and brands out there that will happily take your money for a superior product without playing games AND the brands provide a great experience post sale vs. Porsche dealers always felt like a revolving door.
That's not to say Porsche's cars aren't fantastic; they are. I will always have one in the garage. But there are other dealers and brands out there that will happily take your money for a superior product without playing games AND the brands provide a great experience post sale vs. Porsche dealers always felt like a revolving door.
07-13-2023, 08:17 AM
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07-13-2023, 10:24 AM
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My dealer knows that if a 4RS allocation comes, I want it. But they’re not expecting to get any more allocations, and probably not my turn if they get only one.
I’m actually looking at venturing beyond Porsche for the next car, I want more variety and getting a little tired of all the bs associated with getting Porsches. They’re great cars, but the exclusivity crap irritates me.
I’m actually looking at venturing beyond Porsche for the next car, I want more variety and getting a little tired of all the bs associated with getting Porsches. They’re great cars, but the exclusivity crap irritates me.
) Maybe I'm rationalizing but they're just cars and I want the entire experience to be funMatt