Originally Posted by poofyo101

I would prefer a Winged car over a touring car. Personal preference. Never understood why the touring commands a premium

Originally Posted by poofyo101

I would prefer a Winged car over a touring car. Personal preference. Never understood why the touring commands a premium

Originally Posted by VivG

I hadn't really been tracking ADMs closely, but was unexpectedly offered a buildable MY24 Touring allocation (non-PTS) for 60k. Is this reasonable?

Originally Posted by mnawa

that’s pretty good. 40-60 is going rate.

Originally Posted by mnawa

that’s pretty good. 40-60 is going rate.

Originally Posted by RUF RS

Here's my question of the day: IF PTS, 6 Spd Touring 992's are the BEST version of the 992GT3, WHY do they seem to be the majority of flipped cars? BTW, it's a rhetorical question....

Originally Posted by Bhaha Porsche

I paid $60k ADM for a MY23 allocation with a 992 C2S trade-in. I feel pretty bad about it.

My rationale was to rush to get it before the big MSRP increase and 60k was lower than others in the area.

Unfortunately, I live in an area where dealers charge unreasonable ADM given the local demand.

Originally Posted by Orca911

Wait. GT3s are track cars. I would 10/10 take my GTS or a targa for any other day.
Not being able to dial down force on a touring makes it a 'lesser' option for the use case that will be most prevalent after the status symbol crowd drives a few 100 miles.
If I could own one fun car, I'd flip a non-winged manual too and be looking for whats next.

Originally Posted by Orca911

Wait. GT3s are track cars. I would 10/10 take my GTS or a targa for any other day.
Not being able to dial down force on a touring makes it a 'lesser' option for the use case that will be most prevalent after the status symbol crowd drives a few 100 miles.
If I could own one fun car, I'd flip a non-winged manual too and be looking for whats next.

Originally Posted by Boltsfan

I'm not on here a whole lot and I also don't have much to add to what I've already said, so that is why you haven't heard from me. I'm a "doom and gloomer" because I see what is happening in the economy and have made an educated conclusion as to what is likely to happen? As I and others on here have said many times, the amount of stimulus, lack of timely Fed action, etc. resulted in a huge bubble in many areas of the economy. Couple that with the response of an extreme increase in interest rates in a short period of time and quantitative tightening, you have a situation where things can get ugly. As Pimco has said, there are lags in monetary policy of 6-8 quarters from the start of rate hikes before the economy starts feeling the full effects, which would mean later this year. You, on the other hand, keep pointing to the equities market like it's the end-all, be-all. The same equities market that has priced in significant CUTS by the Fed, which is extremely unlikely to happen barring a significant black swan event. For someone who is self-professed to be such a sophisticated trader, you really don't understand fundamental concepts that is frankly mind-boggling to me. I'm not saying that you need to agree with what I've said; I acknowledge that there could be a soft landing, but the chances of that are extremely low. It's just that you don't seem to acknowledge that there are a lot of factors pointing to a potential downturn in the economy, staring us right in the face. Could this be the most anticipated recession in history, aka, why hasn't it happened yet? Yes, but we have never had this type of situation before with a pandemic, followed immediately by huge amounts of money sloshing in the economy, followed by an extreme reaction by the Fed.

There is very little good news right now as it relates to the economy. Consumers are pulling back. On top of that, the resumption of student loans will cause a lot of people to have to further cut back on spending. Credit has been tightening and will continue to do so. Some people don't realize the magnitude of the credit tightening. Not only are the small and regional banks pulling back due to the run on deposits, the bigger banks are also pulling back. There is concern that new banking regulations will adopted, imposing further capital requirements to address the banking situation, so banks are not making as many loans in anticipation of needing to meet the new capital requirements. Commercial real estate is a complete mess right now. And on, and on, and on.

You are retired so all you probably do is read things here and there on the Internet about what's going on in the real world. That's fine, but you are also very selective as to what you point to in how the economy will be just dandy. On the other hand, I am in the business world living this sort of stuff everyday.

Originally Posted by IRunalot

I totally agree with you but I like to drive track cars on the street. I like how they feel, sound, handle etc. They make me happy. At the same time I don't want to visually standout. I like cars that feel raw for a daily driver and a GTS does not do that for me.
If my focus was pure track then yeah winged all the way, but then I'd go RS.