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That's not what he's saying. He's just predicting that prices will come down. And he's probaably right (go to Car.scom and you will see more priced reduced vs price increased). Also He's also paying a form of ADM by selling the car back to them at MSRP (to foster his relationship). Just like the Rolex guy who buys 10 watches - gets a Rolex at $14,500. He's just saying dont buy a Rolex at $50K. He also doesnt want someone to buy it at $14,500 and sell it at $50K the next week (his def of flipper). Although - He's a big boy - he can speak for himself.
He said the same thing last year (992 GT3s will be at MSRP by end of 2022), and he'll keep saying it until he's right, then claim he was right all along.
Every time I revisit RL, he's in multiple disputes with multiple guys on here, always. He lives for it.
He said the same thing last year (992 GT3s will be at MSRP by end of 2022), and he'll keep saying it until he's right, then claim he was right all along.
Every time I revisit RL, he's in multiple disputes with multiple guys on here, always. He lives for it.
Yeah... between BAT results and Autotrader asking prices, the market/ADM is pretty well known, so we all tend to argue the minutiae. I mean, no one is coming on here saying their dealer has an MSRP allocation if anyone wants it... those days are over.
He said the same thing last year (992 GT3s will be at MSRP by end of 2022), and he'll keep saying it until he's right, then claim he was right all along.
Yeah... between BAT results and Autotrader asking prices, the market/ADM is pretty well known, so we all tend to argue the minutiae. I mean, no one is coming on here saying their dealer has an MSRP allocation if anyone wants it... those days are over.
Above market pricing will always come down on cars as they age (there are outliers). I've just never seen another grown man care so much about how much another grown man is willing to pay for a car. Who cares what someone else pays for a car, you don't know them or their situation. Yet the constant assumption from him "more money than brains" never ceases to make its way into his posts.
Above market pricing will always come down on cars as they age (there are outliers). I've just never seen another grown man care so much about how much another grown man is willing to pay for a car. Who cares what someone else pays for a car, you don't know them or their situation. Yet the constant assumption from him "more money than brains" never ceases to make its way into his posts.
yes, not only does he care how much someone spends on a car, he cares if someone sells their car for a profit. It's really nauseating on a forum and doesn't fit in this thread... maybe post that garbage in the P&C section.
Live in a smaller market, and the local dealer (who I specced and bought a Macan S from last year) is telling me there is a $10K ADM they are requiring on 911s. I am looking to order a well-optioned base 911. My SA tries to take the sting away by saying that for the price you get ~5K of PPF/Paint Correction and Ceramic coat, and an extra year's worth of maintenance free (for a total of two years). I am unenthusiastic, as I a.) am uninclined to spend an additional $10K in order to make my dealer feel good, b.) prefer to pick my own PPF/Ceramic Coat source [who is likely not the lowest bidder!], vs. paying someone to dictate where and how I will get PPF and ceramic. I have brought up my objections, and got a polite brush off from my SA (which I largely expected). I'd really like to do business with the local dealer if possible, as I have had generally good experiences locally (really like the SA), and the next nearest dealer is 50+ miles away. It costs $0 to get on the allocation waiting list at my local dealer's.
On the other hand, if I work with the dealer that is 50-ish miles away, it's only $1,000 to get on the list for an allocation (credited towards the car cost later), and they are selling at MSRP. This dealer is a larger dealer than my local dealer, so I'm thinking they may get a larger number of allocations. Being in a rush to get the allocation and build date is NOT a priority for me (would like to ideally take delivery in mid- to late 2024).
I'm inclined to tell my local dealer that I am ready to pull the trigger later this week-- minus the $10K ADM...and if he won't work with me on it, thank him and take my business elsewhere. Thoughts?
yes, not only does he care how much someone spends on a car, he cares if someone sells their car for a profit. It's really nauseating on a forum and doesn't fit in this thread... maybe post that garbage in the P&C section.
The easy solution for anyone who doesn't like hearing my opinions and predictions can just put me on ignore, it's that easy.
That's not what he's saying. He's just predicting that prices will come down. And he's probaably right (go to Car.scom and you will see more prices reduced vs price increased). Also He's also paying a form of ADM by selling the car back to them at MSRP (to foster his relationship). Just like the Rolex guy who buys 10 watches - gets a Rolex Datytona at $14,500. He's just saying dont buy a Daytona at $50K. He also doesnt want someone to buy it at $14,500 and sell it at $50K the next week (his def of flipper). Although - He's a big boy - he can speak for himself.
Couldn't have said it better myself, thank you summarizing things so nicely. Yeah I predicted that GT3s would be trading around 2022 but the economy has been resilient than just about everyone thought but given the Fed has gotten more and more aggressive in terms of their rate hikes I don't think the economy will hold out a lot longer.
There is no free lunch as someone else mentioned, no one with no good dealer relationship is getting a GT allocation at MSRP. You either have to have a good relationship with solid buying/selling history to get MSRP or you pay the market ADM. If I want to flip my GT cars to the highest bidder I can but I'll be shut out from every getting another MSRP GT allocation from my dealer and will end up having to pay ADMs to buy future GT cars (I've been down this road already and am not going back).
Live in a smaller market, and the local dealer (who I specced and bought a Macan S from last year) is telling me there is a $10K ADM they are requiring on 911s. I am looking to order a well-optioned base 911. My SA tries to take the sting away by saying that for the price you get ~5K of PPF/Paint Correction and Ceramic coat, and an extra year's worth of maintenance free (for a total of two years). I am unenthusiastic, as I a.) am uninclined to spend an additional $10K in order to make my dealer feel good, b.) prefer to pick my own PPF/Ceramic Coat source [who is likely not the lowest bidder!], vs. paying someone to dictate where and how I will get PPF and ceramic. I have brought up my objections, and got a polite brush off from my SA (which I largely expected). I'd really like to do business with the local dealer if possible, as I have had generally good experiences locally (really like the SA), and the next nearest dealer is 50+ miles away. It costs $0 to get on the allocation waiting list at my local dealer's.
On the other hand, if I work with the dealer that is 50-ish miles away, it's only $1,000 to get on the list for an allocation (credited towards the car cost later), and they are selling at MSRP. This dealer is a larger dealer than my local dealer, so I'm thinking they may get a larger number of allocations. Being in a rush to get the allocation and build date is NOT a priority for me (would like to ideally take delivery in mid- to late 2024).
I'm inclined to tell my local dealer that I am ready to pull the trigger later this week-- minus the $10K ADM...and if he won't work with me on it, thank him and take my business elsewhere. Thoughts?
Stick to your guns at MSRP with your local dealer and if they aren't willing to pay ball then consider starting the relationship with the other dealer. Good luck!
Live in a smaller market, and the local dealer (who I specced and bought a Macan S from last year) is telling me there is a $10K ADM they are requiring on 911s. I am looking to order a well-optioned base 911. My SA tries to take the sting away by saying that for the price you get ~5K of PPF/Paint Correction and Ceramic coat, and an extra year's worth of maintenance free (for a total of two years). I am unenthusiastic, as I a.) am uninclined to spend an additional $10K in order to make my dealer feel good, b.) prefer to pick my own PPF/Ceramic Coat source [who is likely not the lowest bidder!], vs. paying someone to dictate where and how I will get PPF and ceramic. I have brought up my objections, and got a polite brush off from my SA (which I largely expected). I'd really like to do business with the local dealer if possible, as I have had generally good experiences locally (really like the SA), and the next nearest dealer is 50+ miles away. It costs $0 to get on the allocation waiting list at my local dealer's.
On the other hand, if I work with the dealer that is 50-ish miles away, it's only $1,000 to get on the list for an allocation (credited towards the car cost later), and they are selling at MSRP. This dealer is a larger dealer than my local dealer, so I'm thinking they may get a larger number of allocations. Being in a rush to get the allocation and build date is NOT a priority for me (would like to ideally take delivery in mid- to late 2024).
I'm inclined to tell my local dealer that I am ready to pull the trigger later this week-- minus the $10K ADM...and if he won't work with me on it, thank him and take my business elsewhere. Thoughts?
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Stick to your guns at MSRP with your local dealer and if they aren't willing to pay ball then consider starting the relationship with the other dealer. Good luck!
Colokent, be careful which advice you take, USC paid a massive ADM to get into the GT game and now hypocritically tells people not to do it.
If you really want to spec your own allocation and it's worth $10k to you, I would consider it. The alternative is you delaying/not getting a car and who knows where pricing will be at that point.
The economic situation is pretty much unprecedented, so it's unusually hard to make predictions. I still expect a substantial recession within the next year, which will bring the prices of these cars down. Unless and until we have such a recession, I think the prices will come down slowly, but may not get to MSRP. My level of confidence in these predictions is moderate.
One thing to keep in mind with prices is the effect of inflation. If you have 5% annual rate of inflation (which is about what we averaged for the past three years), a $200k car today inflates to a $210k car a year from now. That $10k isn't an increase in value when adjusted for inflation, it's what was needed to keep up with inflation.
Colokent, be careful which advice you take, USC paid a massive ADM to get into the GT game and now hypocritically tells people not to do it.
If you really want to spec your own allocation and it's worth $10k to you, I would consider it. The alternative is you delaying/not getting a car and who knows where pricing will be at that point.
03-07-2023, 12:58 PM
