Originally Posted by WCGhost

In my opinion from what I have seen, I am placing more of the blame on dealers simply because they are hanging on to inventory for so long. They are attempting to be market makers, they have the pipeline to new vehicles, and they are incentivizing new sales with the purchase of pre owned Porsches, therefore trying to control the used market as well. Many did not sell allocations to the highest bidder, or go down a list and play their part in an efficient market. Instead when they didn't get the absurd markup they so greedily wanted, they went ahead and used an allocation and optioned out a car to their liking, and have had it sit on their showroom floor for several months. There are now cars that have been listed for over a year. I don't think blaming people who paid a certain price for a car makes sense, everyone has their own timelines, but dealers hoarding cars and asking for insane markups is lame. Dealers are also the ones who decided to overpay for cars last summer, they should be better at forecasting prices since it impacts their business not an individual buyer. Now that they overpaid used cars sit on their showrooms without being driven, and they are making us pay for their miscalculations.

Originally Posted by WCGhost

In my opinion from what I have seen, I am placing more of the blame on dealers simply because they are hanging on to inventory for so long. They are attempting to be market makers, they have the pipeline to new vehicles, and they are incentivizing new sales with the purchase of pre owned Porsches, therefore trying to control the used market as well. Many did not sell allocations to the highest bidder, or go down a list and play their part in an efficient market. Instead when they didn't get the absurd markup they so greedily wanted, they went ahead and used an allocation and optioned out a car to their liking, and have had it sit on their showroom floor for several months. There are now cars that have been listed for over a year. I don't think blaming people who paid a certain price for a car makes sense, everyone has their own timelines, but dealers hoarding cars and asking for insane markups is lame. Dealers are also the ones who decided to overpay for cars last summer, they should be better at forecasting prices since it impacts their business not an individual buyer. Now that they overpaid used cars sit on their showrooms without being driven, and they are making us pay for their miscalculations.

Originally Posted by AlexCeres

And it’s not about saving money on a McLaren. It’s all cross shopping in the price bracket the adm pushes the car into. $350-$400K for a 911 ? Lol. Sorry if it’s not a 911R or gt2rs why the **** would you do that ? Lambo and Ferrari have been on fire the last couple years if mclaren isn’t your cup of tea.

Originally Posted by InsatiableAmos

I’m #1 (after VIPs) on my dealers list for a Dakar, and they just broke the news (AFTER I placed my deposit) that they’ll be charging $100k ADM.

I know I have no reason to be incensed. The market is the market. The only choice I have is to say yes or no.

But as an enthusiast who’s saved up to buy ONE special car from Porsche (not 10’s), I’m disappointed there simply isn’t room for that kind of buyer anymore. I grew up with a poster of a 930 on my wall and now it feels like the brand has turned its back on those just arriving on scene.

What are you all seeing for Dakar ADMs? And anyone want my (nearly guaranteed) Dakar slot?

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

Used Lambo and Ferrari prices are dropping as well.

Originally Posted by hitmonlee

That sucks. Did you discuss ADM with your dealer before/when you placed your deposit?

Originally Posted by AlexCeres

this may come as a surprise to you, but cars depreciate. If ya’all are bitching about adm because you think these are investments and you deserve to buy luxury sport cars without losing money … lolz. It’s really the lolz that bring me back to this thread.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

I agree with you and PCNA should punish dealers who spec GT cars themselves because everyone knows that there are enough buyers to buy every single GT car that PCNA allocations to US dealers. Like for every GT the dealer specs, they lose 1 GT car allocation on a go forward basis.....I think that would be a fair punishment for stealers.

Originally Posted by shrimp money

Honestly, I’m ok with that.

I wouldn’t be ok with a billionaire buying up farmland and water rights, though.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

You are preaching to the quire my friend, I know in normal times cars depreciate including GT cars. All car prices are trending lower, some at a quicker pace than others.

Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser

really? Lol

Originally Posted by Manifold

So far, you’re the only one saying he’s ok with it.

Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser

really? Lol

Originally Posted by shrimp money

There are many things my family is priced out of in life. It doesn’t bother me that Floyd Mayweather travels to Dubai on a private jet, and has his entire entourage roll around with him in a fleet of G63s. I think that’s awesome, and wish I could do that with my friends.

Do you think Manny Khoshbin is trying to create a market for SLRs by constantly saying they’re going to be really high in value in the future? And in turn, buying them up?