DodoBrd

just to be clear… I was advocating looking into the 991.2 GT3. It’s far superior than the 991.1 IMO. Race bred engine which has had no issues blowing up, most are still under factory warranty or CPO, MT available, etc…

Saying and equating 992 GT3 could have engine issues in the future like the 991.1 is very disingenuous. The 992 engine has been in 991.2, .2 RS, speedster, track/race cars, 992, 718 RS, 992 RS… and 0 issues.

991.1 can be a bargain if you accept the risks associated with the engine and you have no desire for MT… but there’s a reason they’re the second cheapest GT3 right now

Manifold

The market prices reflect the perception of the relative pros and cons of all these cars. If someone is going to consider all of their options, the 991.1 GT3 need not be excluded a priori, and some may prefer it over the 991.2 or 992 GT3 for reasons other than cost alone. For example, comparing the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 on track, back to back, I found the .2 easier to drive and faster, but the .1 rawer and more fun to drive; that surprised me, but it is what it is. Some will prefer a 997 GT3 over the 991 or 992 for the same reason, and some will likewise prefer the 996 GT3 over the 997.

NYCGT3

Some people know the price of everything, but the value of nothing….

Yc911Kid

checked with a few stores, most don't have new allocations, monterey is asking 75k for a touring allocation

usctrojanGT3

These 2 videos were very interesting to watch even though they were specifically about Porsches but they give a real time take on what is happening on the wholesale (i.e. auction) level and that it takes time for prices to decline on the retail level because there are so many wholesale car sellers who are not accepting the high bid of buyers (similar to what we see on BAT where more and more cars are not meeting reserves).



The real question is at what point do these wholesale sellers yield and start taking the lower bids at auctions. Will flooring line lenders force those sellers to accept those losses and pay down their lines of credit? Lucky Lopez's video was very interesting how so many exotic cars were bought by people who got into the exotic car rental business and now those cars are showing up at auctions but the scary part is the fact that their actual mileage has been messed with. All I know that all car prices are heading lower this year from your basic Honda and Toyota to exotics like Ferrari and Lambos along with everything in between.

usctrojanGT3

Why would anyone give them that when you can't get PTS, bucket seats, and PCCBs? Let them spec it with a bunch of unnecessary options and have it sit on their showroom floor for months.

Yc911Kid

dunno. I find that how others making decisions in their life is not of interest to me. I just do things that make sense to me.

Joe mac

Amazingly, this simple statement is exactly why I laugh at so many of the posts on here with people trying to convince others to change their minds or trying to make logical sense of the dollars and cents. These cars and the 1000 iterations that Porsche builds dont make sense at all. You simply cannot try to make sense of any of it really. Manifold, I believe you are trying to make our irrational brains think that there is a math equation that will convince one to buy a 991.2 versus a premium on a 992. There simply is no equation. Those equations are generally left when deciding on a daily driver. The rest of them are all just comfort level of the pocketbook and what makes sense to the guy/gal writing the check.

welikethetrack

Hard to see the picture when you're in the frame

DJRG

Hey guys, longtime lurker and rookie when it comes to Porsche (BMW M Owner/ track junkie) and looking to upgrade. I am next up in line and they are ready to take my order. 50k ADM. The 911 has always been a childhood fav so it’s a really tough decision.

With current market conditions, is it justifiable to pay 50k ADM? I am located in the Northeast. TIA and appreciate all the insight.

This would be for a GT3.

usctrojanGT3

For a GT3 or a Touring?

DJRG

a GT3

usctrojanGT3

That seems to be get the going rate on the used car side for GT3s so if you value being able to spec your own car it's not a horrible ADM but the question is are you fine with not being able to get bucket seats, PTS, and PCCBs? If not, then maybe look for a used car that has most all of the options that you want.

Manifold

Well, I admit that I’m an engineer, but I don’t reduce everything to equations.

It’s actually kind of the opposite. My point is that sometimes we think we really want a particular thing (that’s hard to get), not realizing that a different thing (that’s less hard to get) will make us just as happy. So if you can’t get the thing you thought you wanted, explore your options. There’s something to be said for being happy with what you have (or can get within your budget).

Manifold

Justifiable relative to what criteria? You have to decide the criteria.