Tourings will trade for more than the winged versions so maybe around $25k over for Tourings.

 

I didn't say that last year that they'd be trading at MSRP this year....too much funny money over there. Takes more time for the FED needs to inflict more pain to get down to MSRP.

 

Great explanations. You think flooring finance companies will just let stealers sit on cars for 6-12 months? Uhhhh not in this environment unless they pay down the line.

 

Because car prices only go up, right? Yeah, let's see what happens next year when the FED keeps tightening the screws.

 

My son picked up a new 2022 911 Carrera base at msrp yesterday. But every other dealer six months ago still wanted a $10,000 ADM.

on the GT3 I don’t think you will see many used ones selling for msrp ever. Even the 991 generation GT3’s are selling for well above their original msrp and always have. There are not that many GT3’s available to buy. I had two dealers tell me Porsche will not make any more GT3 models after 2023.

there are enough guys that have the money who want that car and will pay $100,000 over msrp to be able to order the car they want. Used ones should sell in the $275,000 range as they are “used” and you don’t get to spec your own car.

also the msrp on all 911’s is almost surely going to get bumped up significantly for all the models due to inflation and because Porsche will be a public company. In need of higher sales and earnings every three months. Would not surprise me when Porsche decides to price 911’s closer to market value to bring the additional value to their own pocket rather than the pockets of the dealers.

you might have heard that gas powered cars are disappearing over the next ten years.the 993’s in three or four years could be electric and the 992 GT3’s May become hugely collectible. Which is why I and all of you would like to own one of these fantastic cars.

a nice dream to have a huge number of 992 GT3’s to select from at their original msrp or below.

But I know it will never happen in most of our lifetimes. There just are enough guys with enough wealth that will pay over msrp even for used GT3.

I hope I am wrong of course but not very likely unfortunately.

also silly to call dealers selling above msrp greedy but are you planning on selling your Porsche anytime soon for tens of thousands less than the current demand value? Does your business sell its products for a huge amount less than customers would pay?

 

With the WEF lap dogs in charge, everything could be double or half by next year, who knows…

USD is only 0.96 for a EUR.
Maybe it’s time to get some 964’s from Germany this winter.

 

definitely a good time to buy track stuff in the eu/uk.

 

If you're gonna pay ADM for a GT3 touring, why not try out an Artura. Understated looks, so you will fly under the radar compared to a winged aero variant. 5 year bumper to bumper warranty, I'm hearing 3 year free maintenance. And doors that go UP. The Artura will smoke a GT3 for the same ADM price. Go take a test drive and see for yourself!

 

Artura is 680 hp roughly 260k well specced. You will be well over 300k for a Touring.

 

Damn you and your math.

 

Facts are facts.

 

 

the artura is what the TTS wants to be when it grows up. Porsche is still pretty much the only game in town for NA, MT drivers cars and the 991 and 992 touring premiums over the winged reflect that

 

Agreed.

Car & Driver said, "Sure it's quick, and immediately recognizable as an exotic - - - it has intake strakes and flying buttresses - - - but it doesnt necessarily feel, sound, or look fast. The engine susurrates, and gains revs, without ever erupting. The transmission delivers quick shifts, without ever snapping necks. And in profile, the Artura resembles a Ferrari F430 attempting to escape from the mouth of a Noble M400 that was swallowed by a Lexus SC430. - - - - an automotive turducken.

Intriguing? Yes. Exciting? Not really."

2023 McLaren Artura Hits Its Numbers (caranddriver.com)

 

I've driven an Artura and just rode in one on track this week. It's very quick with a broad powerband and feels more composed on track than the 570s it replaces. My only criticism is that the V6 revs to 8500 but doesn't have the induction howl the flat plane V8 does. But the V6 is has a throatier tone in street driving. Definitely a more polished product that the 570s.

Many Mac dealers will have a demo Artura so it's worth checking out if you still haven't been able to land a GT3. But a used 720S in that price range might be the best play.