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Old 07-01-2017 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
On track, it will be a beast among fully streetable cars, but the operating cost will be very high, and IMO a better option with this kind of budget is a track-only car with track-only suspension, slicks, full safety systems, etc. If you really need to go that fast on track, why buy a car compromised to accommodate street use? This thing is unlikely to keep up with a 997 cup, and certainly won't keep up with a 991 Cup.

The car seems best suited for guys with deep pockets who want the king of the hill 911 to drive on the road occasionally, and maybe take it to the track now and then - rich man's toy (nothing wrong with that). If the goal is fun on the road or heavy track use at blistering pace and a somewhat sane cost, I think there are better options than this GT2 RS.
please put your calculation in.

i had a Cup. don't know how to burn more money...

the Cup doesn't matter which 997 or 991 will cost you for one hour on track around 1k in maintanance + 1k in depreciation (i mean without fuel, tires, pads), etc.
the RS's and GT's... mhh... 0+0 (during warranty)

...

and if you go with slicks + setup on the 991GT2 i bet it will be ahead or in the same times as any Cup version.
Old 07-01-2017 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
+1. We pay for it now but the flippers should be discouraged.
So what's it going to be? Huh? you getting one?
Old 07-01-2017 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by white6speed
They have offered one to every VIP, not sure beyond that. It may be like the 911R.
The 911R was announced as a limited edition car. The GT2 RS is not. My initial sense was that they're trying to have the best of both worlds by not defining a production number, but hinting that it will be limited by production capacity. It would be very open ended and leave buyers wondering just how rare the car will end up being.

I just re-read the 918 VIP program brochure and it states:

For limited-edition models (500 cars or fewer allocated to the United States):
PCNA will advise all Porsche 918 customers of the availability of any new limited-edition model.

For series production cars (500 cars or more allocated to the United States):
The Porsche 918 VIP customer may approach the authorized Porsche dealership where they ordered and purchased their 918 Spyder to indicate their interest to exercise the program’s benefits and purchase another Porsche vehicle. Porsche will make orders from Porsche 918 VIP customers a top priority.

Given that VIP's have received an official invitation, it would appear to fall within the limited edition category.

I've heard 50 cars for Canada so 500 for the US would be about right.

The question is - would it be misleading to VIP's to offer the this invitation, accept their order but then deliver more than 500? It's not a limited edition/numbered car as the 918 and R was. They could blame 'market demand' and offer VIP's the option to cancel their order (before its locked) if >500 is planned....
Old 07-01-2017 | 12:46 PM
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Price is close to as expected in UK at £207k so cancelling any plans to buy a 720 as the GT2 RS will be twice as much fun/involving on road/track. It's not cheap but surprised anyone thinks it would have been when the 997 GT2 RS was 50% more than 997 3.8 RS.
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Originally Posted by white6speed
Every VIP is guaranteed a car. Does that not indicate a limited build.
Nope.

They are actually guaranteed one of everything.
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
please put your calculation in.

i had a Cup. don't know how to burn more money...

the Cup doesn't matter which 997 or 991 will cost you for one hour on track around 1k in maintanance + 1k in depreciation (i mean without fuel, tires, pads), etc.
the RS's and GT's... mhh... 0+0 (during warranty)

...

and if you go with slicks + setup on the 991GT2 i bet it will be ahead or in the same times as any Cup version.
Agreed.
Why would this cost more to run then a GT3RS?
It's just a tank of water per tank of gas more.
And as I quote AP: "We will sell you Weissach edition Holy water" LOL, funny guys these Germans !!
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honestly:
What is a cheaper option to smash laptimes than a GT2RS at MSRP?
What is a cheaper option than a GT3RS?

Based on operational costs, keep up warranty costs and depreciation over two years.

ACR maybe?
Old 07-01-2017 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Agreed.
Why would this cost more to run then a GT3RS?
got you!

a bit more fuel the GT2RS will consume.
i guess 60l/100km meaning 4mpg in trakcar mode

see myself in 2018 - not meeting you at the fuelstation - this time i will join you with my 620R at a trackday during your GT2RS ED!
Old 07-01-2017 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GT288
So what's it going to be? Huh? you getting one?
If I can get one yes. The question is, can I afford to keep it?!
It's overpriced but still I don't see a solid alternative and I want it.

I do know that Mr Purple isn't going anywhere until the next NA is known. I love that thing too much; 19000 miles, many at Sebring and all I've done is add rotors pads and fuel.

I was talking to AP about my setup and he seems to agree I was on the right path. I commented that the track setup should have been in the manual so it wouldn't have taken 15 sets of tires and 19,000 miles to figure it out on my own.

"Ahh you're one of those customers" was his comment LOL.
Old 07-01-2017 | 12:59 PM
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Another tidbit I just remembered.
The brake ducts as we have on the GT3RS front are REPLACED by the NACA duct air intakes. No more scoops to lose on the bottom.
I forgot to ask about the rear.....
Old 07-01-2017 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Agreed.
Why would this cost more to run then a GT3RS?
It's just a tank of water per tank of gas more.
And as I quote AP: "We will sell you Weissach edition Holy water" LOL, funny guys these Germans !!
Because of its speed and Rose jointed suspension, which will require quicker replacements than rubber components. But this is more of a long term difference and still vastly less than running a cup car.
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Awesome!!! Ugly, too. I just saved myself $300k...
Old 07-01-2017 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
got you!

a bit more fuel the GT2RS will consume.
i guess 60l/100km meaning 4mpg in trakcar mode

see myself in 2018 - not meeting you at the fuelstation - this time i will join you with my 620R at a trackday during your GT2RS ED!
LOL, let's hope so!
But! Fuel use is measured in minutes per gallon, and as this will cover more miles per minute the MPG may be similar ;-)

The 4.0 sucks itself into limp mode with 25-35 Mile To Empty in about 90 Sebring miles. That limp mode thingy I also discussed with AP. I'll send him some Youtubes in case he really doesn't know how often it happens and cares..
Old 07-01-2017 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by marcvv
Nice 488 and RS!

Here is my RS and 458 side by side for comparison to each other. I agree the Ferrari's are just a bit more special. The RS is quite spectacular though. What I like about these two is that their ride quality, handling, acceleration, steering feel, sound and personalities are completely different. A little variety in the experience with these two. Both NA engines with quite pleasing exhaust notes.

I'm curious how the GT2 will feel in comparison to these rides.
the 458 is just so much more special than the RS.....and this comes from a former 458 owner and current RS owner - still regret selling the 458 but more so not buying the speciale::((
one thing though: as you say the cars feel different. the 458 provided a very comfortable ride while the RS gets to its limit fast on bad roads. also the RS feels like the much 'tighter' package and in many cases is more fun to drive.
Old 07-01-2017 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jo_ker
honestly:
What is a cheaper option to smash laptimes than a GT2RS at MSRP?
What is a cheaper option than a GT3RS?

Based on operational costs, keep up warranty costs and depreciation over two years.

ACR maybe?
Road car based and street legal?

At these kind of speeds I do think dedicated track cars with full cages make more and more sense. Especially if you like to push hard.


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