PCNA GT3 Auction is at 4PM today
09-24-2014, 03:28 PM
#256
I doubt I can get MSRP for my car with 700 miles on it if I sell it at a Manheim auction. My car was $149K sticker, plus I got $14,600 back from Porsche. If I get $140K at Manheim auction, I would consider that pretty good.
09-24-2014, 03:28 PM
#257
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I agree, but not everyone that wants one can get a 2015. Right?
09-24-2014, 03:33 PM
#258
Race Director
So you really, really want a 991 GT3. Do you buy a "used" 2014 with a brand new engine from your local dealer, or search around the country for one of a limited and diminishing number of 2015 allocations? Do you feel lucky, or don't you?
09-24-2014, 03:38 PM
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Is it possible that the price "paid" at auction is not truly the real price, as the dealers may get payments/ bonuses back from Porsche such that the true price is not what we're seeing. Kinda like invoice is not really what the dealer wants us to think is the price they paid for it.
09-24-2014, 03:43 PM
#261
Is it possible that the price "paid" at auction is not truly the real price, as the dealers may get payments/ bonuses back from Porsche such that the true price is not what we're seeing. Kinda like invoice is not really what the dealer wants us to think is the price they paid for it.
Honestly, do you guys believe that if you sell your 2014 GT3 with very low miles at Manheim auction, you can get MSRP for them? I think that's unrealistic.
09-24-2014, 04:05 PM
#263
Nordschleife Master
Mr. Sullvan's comment about..."nuances being lost on the average buyer.." What person buying a $150,000 car is average??? Please. IF you are getting these cars at a bargain price (NOT) and IF you are keeping ti long term, (maybe) he's right it might not matter. BUT, good luck on resale to a non-Porsche dealer. Sorry, but I believe these WILL wear the scarlet letter! And as for the legacy story...right..its called a blemish or an asterisk on Porsche model history. Ebay has non-branded 2014 GT3s at somewhat reasonable prices and they arnt exact selling like hot cakes...drive on
09-24-2014, 04:19 PM
#264
Burning Brakes
Assuming one can get a new 2015. There are apparently a few 2015 allocations still floating around out there, but not every dealer has one, and not every customer is willing to search the country and/or buy an out of state car.
So you really, really want a 991 GT3. Do you buy a "used" 2014 with a brand new engine from your local dealer, or search around the country for one of a limited and diminishing number of 2015 allocations? Do you feel lucky, or don't you?
So you really, really want a 991 GT3. Do you buy a "used" 2014 with a brand new engine from your local dealer, or search around the country for one of a limited and diminishing number of 2015 allocations? Do you feel lucky, or don't you?
09-24-2014, 04:20 PM
#265
Nordschleife Master
Assuming one can get a new 2015. There are apparently a few 2015 allocations still floating around out there, but not every dealer has one, and not every customer is willing to search the country and/or buy an out of state car.
So you really, really want a 991 GT3. Do you buy a "used" 2014 with a brand new engine from your local dealer, or search around the country for one of a limited and diminishing number of 2015 allocations? Do you feel lucky, or don't you?
So you really, really want a 991 GT3. Do you buy a "used" 2014 with a brand new engine from your local dealer, or search around the country for one of a limited and diminishing number of 2015 allocations? Do you feel lucky, or don't you?
09-24-2014, 04:49 PM
#266
Since there's no reasonable explanation as to why these cars sold for what they sold,my sick mind can only see a scheme between PCNA and dealers to keep depreciation low. They must have offered the buying dealers huge incentives. It happens all the time in the auto industry. The buying dealers will not be able to sell these cars above MSRP to make a profit,although there will be a few suckers. Even so,a dealer would not gamble whether they'll find suckers in a timely manner. For those that still haven't figured out,from my experience I haven't met a dealer that stayed in the business and proved successful by giving out " deals " and not making money on certain transactions. They simply do not exist.
Unfortunately,it is also my personal opinion that there are PAG/PCNA trolls and dealer trolls among us that are playing their agenda. I am not accusing anyone in this thread,I have no info in either direction,it is just my guy felling and take it FWIW.
Unfortunately,it is also my personal opinion that there are PAG/PCNA trolls and dealer trolls among us that are playing their agenda. I am not accusing anyone in this thread,I have no info in either direction,it is just my guy felling and take it FWIW.
HFM, those numbers are probably high. I'll bet most received compensation of around 10k and the memory seats brought an additional 2.6k.
Maybe just maybe, there was an after purchase incentive waived at the dealers, offering the compensation that was not paid to the original 20 buyers?
Maybe just maybe, there was an after purchase incentive waived at the dealers, offering the compensation that was not paid to the original 20 buyers?
09-24-2014, 04:51 PM
#267
Three Wheelin'
I'm only pointing it out and it's not meant to stall the good dialogue....much of what is coming up (including some of my own posts) seem to be similar or the same thoughts that were discussed a while back. I only say that because those that are just joining might want to start from page 1, there could be info that has already been covered and answered.
09-24-2014, 05:24 PM
#269
Race Director
Seriously Nick, you can use all of the pejorative capitalized language you like, but the reality is there is nothing actually wrong with these cars. The titles may not necessarily be branded as has been pointed out in several posts from others more knowledgeable on the subject than I am, and many people would willingly pay a price to do business with their local dealer rather than someone they don't know half way across the country. We keep trying to make this way more complicated than it really is.
09-24-2014, 05:29 PM
#270
Nordschleife Master
What is this "sense" you speak of? When did sense begin to be factored into all decisions? Seriously Nick, you can use all of the pejorative capitalized language you like, but the reality is there is nothing actually wrong with these cars. The titles may not necessarily be branded as has been pointed out in several posts from others more knowledgeable on the subject than I am, and many people would willingly pay a price to do business with their local dealer rather than someone they don't know half way across the country. We keep trying to make this way more complicated than it really is.
Seriously Nick, you can use all of the pejorative capitalized language you like, but the reality is there is nothing actually wrong with these cars. The titles may not necessarily be branded as has been pointed out in several posts from others more knowledgeable on the subject than I am, and many people would willingly pay a price to do business with their local dealer rather than someone they don't know half way across the country. We keep trying to make this way more complicated than it really is.