Consolidated 991RS thread
#3646
Nordschleife Master
I still must be missing something. Why wouldn't the headline here be that the 991 GT3 was the last/final/best of an outgoing engine platform that has been very reliable throughout the Porsche range...? Prior to shifting to turbo charging for environmental regulatory reasons...
#3647
Race Director
That blood orange is my color!!!!
#3648
Drifting
We may be saying the same thing differently. The 991 GT3 engine could very well be the blueprint for what is deemed an "all new" engine. Perhaps a derivative of the 9A1 with various changes and component enhancements gets PM where they need to be. What is truly new or revolutionary vs evolutionary may be semantics. Although with this much time to develop a 9A1 derivative and it still not be deemed worthy of an invitation to the Motorsport prom, maybe it is more new than old.
As an aside, I did mention in a previous post that it has been vaguely hinted (and I heard some unconfirmed anecdotal chatter in the paddock) that there is another serious motor lurking around Weissach that is being vetted. The context was race engine. Maybe BS, but I circle back to racing reality and that they truly need to do something soon. Frankly, this transcends engines as well, but that's for another day.
Maybe the RS serves as a platform for this initiative. It spreads out some R&D costs, provides the RS a halo effect, serves as a homologation platform, enables a bigger pricing premium, satisfies the bean counters because they aren't putting it in umpteen thousand road going units, the hard core constituency gets a lump of sugar and this thread shuts down before it hits 500 pages !!!
As an aside, I did mention in a previous post that it has been vaguely hinted (and I heard some unconfirmed anecdotal chatter in the paddock) that there is another serious motor lurking around Weissach that is being vetted. The context was race engine. Maybe BS, but I circle back to racing reality and that they truly need to do something soon. Frankly, this transcends engines as well, but that's for another day.
Maybe the RS serves as a platform for this initiative. It spreads out some R&D costs, provides the RS a halo effect, serves as a homologation platform, enables a bigger pricing premium, satisfies the bean counters because they aren't putting it in umpteen thousand road going units, the hard core constituency gets a lump of sugar and this thread shuts down before it hits 500 pages !!!
#3649
Nordschleife Master
There's just no way the 991.2 C2S will have more power than the 991.1 Turbo. It's just not Porsche's style to do that. Unless they announce the 991.2 Turbo to have 600hp at the same time they announce the dramatically powered 991.2 C2S... which is still unlikely (but not impossible).
The S will probably get slightly larger displacement.
#3650
We may be saying the same thing differently. The 991 GT3 engine could very well be the blueprint for what is deemed an "all new" engine. Perhaps a derivative of the 9A1 with various changes and component enhancements gets PM where they need to be. What is truly new or revolutionary vs evolutionary may be semantics. Although with this much time to develop a 9A1 derivative and it still not be deemed worthy of an invitation to the Motorsport prom, maybe it is more new than old. As an aside, I did mention in a previous post that it has been vaguely hinted (and I heard some unconfirmed anecdotal chatter in the paddock) that there is another serious motor lurking around Weissach that is being vetted. The context was race engine. Maybe BS, but I circle back to racing reality and that they truly need to do something soon. Frankly, this transcends engines as well, but that's for another day. Maybe the RS serves as a platform for this initiative. It spreads out some R&D costs, provides the RS a halo effect, serves as a homologation platform, enables a bigger pricing premium, satisfies the bean counters because they aren't putting it in umpteen thousand road going units, the hard core constituency gets a lump of sugar and this thread shuts down before it hits 500 pages !!!
Out of curiosity, does anyone know the failure mode(s) of the 9A1 in race application? That would lend credibility of the 'evo 9A1' perspective. Might be viewed as completely new but still be tweaks in the grand scheme of things.
#3651
#3652
#3653
I'm definitely one of the lunatics that loves the connection between the Motorsport engine and the road going RS! Call me a wannabe race driver. We are probably a very small group and most hang out here on RL. That's what's make it fun! I meet 7RS owners that don't know what a Mezger engine is.
#3654
Race Director
Mike, just FYI, in the motorsport magazine interview, that Pete posted few pages ago, Hatz clearly states the new RS engine is new compared to both previous RS and the current GT3 -
Also, reading the Motorsports Magazine article, I don't think it is one quote to one journalist that is being regurgitated, but different interviews to the different media outlets -
So it sounds Hatz repeated that information to multiple media outlets. If that is the case, I doubt it is the case of everyone misquoting him. The only question then is, is Hatz himself misinformed or deliberately misleading?
Also, reading the Motorsports Magazine article, I don't think it is one quote to one journalist that is being regurgitated, but different interviews to the different media outlets -
So it sounds Hatz repeated that information to multiple media outlets. If that is the case, I doubt it is the case of everyone misquoting him. The only question then is, is Hatz himself misinformed or deliberately misleading?
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#3656
#3657
the message is clear, PAG wants to distance itself from the 991 GT3 engine disaster. it could be a marketing
issue or a serious engineering one, no one knows (probably a mixture of both). at this point i would not buy a 991 GT3, the value could drop dead after the new-engine-991-RS release.
peter
issue or a serious engineering one, no one knows (probably a mixture of both). at this point i would not buy a 991 GT3, the value could drop dead after the new-engine-991-RS release.
peter
#3658
Nordschleife Master
the message is clear, PAG wants to distance itself from the 991 GT3 engine disaster. it could be a marketing
issue or a serious engineering one, no one knows (probably a mixture of both). at this point i would not buy a 991 GT3, the value could drop dead after the new-engine-991-RS release.
peter
issue or a serious engineering one, no one knows (probably a mixture of both). at this point i would not buy a 991 GT3, the value could drop dead after the new-engine-991-RS release.
peter
#3659
Nordschleife Master
I guess you've never driven a manual gearbox car then. Don't know how you could think it is exciting.
#3660