Originally Posted by Indyxc

Hi John, I am in the Nashville, TN metro area, so not close to you, but greatly apprecaite the offer. Agree, that large repairs are not practical. When I was younger I did all the car modding myself (Including engine rebuilds), but in reality now I don't have time. Your point on potential major repair costs is valid, and is weighing on my decision for sure. I do not plan to mod the car at all.

Thinking last night, I did realize, why the RS feels so special to me visually, it's the widebody. I guess I already knew, but I saw a picture of them side by side, and it's the darn widebody that makes the RS so special to me. It's silly, but that whats makes me love the GT3 in general. The RS widebody. However, then a couple hour later, the manual of the GT3 991.2 tugs at my heart as well.

Also, I did a lot of research last night on pricing. The GT3 RS market is definitely softing. Since BAT is so handy you can sort all the 2016 GT RS Sales recently, and if you add the $5k sellers fee it looks like they are selling for $185k. So that means the GT3 RS I looked at locally for $200k, with sofas, 8 out of 10 condition, and potential track time early in it's life, probably woul need to be purchased at $180k in this market.

https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/99...rs&result=sold

Laying it out in my mind, if someone else is going to research this in the future.

Pros for RS 991.1

• Wide body, more special, unique. It will feel more special sitting in the garage and looking at it. As trivial as that sounds, I that is important to me.
• Prices actually look a bit softer than manual 991.2s.

Cons for RS: RS 991.1

• Hard or imposible to find a warranty, and if major repair is needed, large costs.
• Only PDK (Which at the moment I like, but I've never regretted buying a manual car)

Pros for 991.2

• Can be purchased with a warranty (Care free driving definitely has merits, I've owned an expensive boat before with high hours, and it's always in the back of your mind).
• Comes in manual
• Newer infotainment, and the 4.0 is apparently updated vs. GT3 RS 4.0

Cons for 911.2

• Seems pricers for nice examples vs GT3 RS.
• Not a widebody.

I keep waffling. It's going to be between one of these twos. My wife can drive a manual, but she drove the manual 992 Carrera GTS and said she preferred probably prefers the PDK, because the car is too fast to shift and hold the wheel on tight roads. It was kind of a good point. Obviously after a while a fast car feels "slow" when you get used to it.

The good part is I am learning a lot, and the more I learn, the more the choice will become clear. Especially the right choice. The advice here has been golden too. Thanks agall.

Originally Posted by Indyxc

Hi John, I am in the Nashville, TN metro area, so not close to you, but greatly apprecaite the offer. Agree, that large repairs are not practical. When I was younger I did all the car modding myself (Including engine rebuilds), but in reality now I don't have time. Your point on potential major repair costs is valid, and is weighing on my decision for sure. I do not plan to mod the car at all.

Thinking last night, I did realize, why the RS feels so special to me visually, it's the widebody. I guess I already knew, but I saw a picture of them side by side, and it's the darn widebody that makes the RS so special to me. It's silly, but that whats makes me love the GT3 in general. The RS widebody. However, then a couple hour later, the manual of the GT3 991.2 tugs at my heart as well.

Also, I did a lot of research last night on pricing. The GT3 RS market is definitely softing. Since BAT is so handy you can sort all the 2016 GT RS Sales recently, and if you add the $5k sellers fee it looks like they are selling for $185k. So that means the GT3 RS I looked at locally for $200k, with sofas, 8 out of 10 condition, and potential track time early in it's life, probably woul need to be purchased at $180k in this market.

https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/99...rs&result=sold

Laying it out in my mind, if someone else is going to research this in the future.

Pros for RS 991.1

• Wide body, more special, unique. It will feel more special sitting in the garage and looking at it. As trivial as that sounds, I that is important to me.
• Prices actually look a bit softer than manual 991.2s.

Cons for RS: RS 991.1

• Hard or imposible to find a warranty, and if major repair is needed, large costs.
• Only PDK (Which at the moment I like, but I've never regretted buying a manual car)

Pros for 991.2

• Can be purchased with a warranty (Care free driving definitely has merits, I've owned an expensive boat before with high hours, and it's always in the back of your mind).
• Comes in manual
• Newer infotainment, and the 4.0 is apparently updated vs. GT3 RS 4.0

Cons for 911.2

• Seems pricers for nice examples vs GT3 RS.
• Not a widebody.

I keep waffling. It's going to be between one of these twos. My wife can drive a manual, but she drove the manual 992 Carrera GTS and said she preferred probably prefers the PDK, because the car is too fast to shift and hold the wheel on tight roads. It was kind of a good point. Obviously after a while a fast car feels "slow" when you get used to it.

The good part is I am learning a lot, and the more I learn, the more the choice will become clear. Especially the right choice. The advice here has been golden too. Thanks agall.

Originally Posted by unluckydrawer

for the others who read it before I delete:

• i had shared a Fidelity Platinum quote for that exact Lava Orange spec the OP had considered; someone quoted me, you can still see the screenshot with the VIN if you scroll up
• wireless carplay installations are all over in the FB group, there are so many solutions to this from:

"hard or impossible to find warranty" -- when the solution was literally posted in the OP's face days ago; sigh

Originally Posted by Indyxc

I keep waffling. It's going to be between one of these twos. My wife can drive a manual, but she drove the manual 992 Carrera GTS and said she preferred probably prefers the PDK, because the car is too fast to shift and hold the wheel on tight roads. It was kind of a good point. Obviously after a while a fast car feels "slow" when you get used to it.

The good part is I am learning a lot, and the more I learn, the more the choice will become clear. Especially the right choice. The advice here has been golden too. Thanks agall.

Originally Posted by John D II

Indy, some things to research/consider:

991.2 has a 9,000 RPM vs. 991.1rs - 8,600 RPM
PDK-S in the .2 cars is improved over the .1, it's quicker, crisper, smoother, just better feeling overall. Personally, I love it.
Back-up camera is nice to have - the entire .2 PCM feels better to use
The motor in the .2 GT3 make more horsepower than .1 RS and has improved mid-range torque vs. the .1RS according to independent dyno testing.
The .2 motor has several other internal upgrades such a enhanced oiling - this subject will require some research if you are truly interested, I don't have all the answers, but look into crankshaft strength/size, coating on liners, # oil pumps, etc. and I believe that you will find a host of motor enhancements on the .2 motor.
Small side note - the FAL is lighter, if you want that feature.
.2 has improved steering and suspension
Updated bumper look

These are a few things to look into and learn more about as you contemplate your choices.

Originally Posted by John Clabby

While I think the base GT3 has some potential aftermarket warranty options out there which the RS doesn't, I think both cars are in the same boat where a CPO from a Porsche dealer seems like the best/easiest route.

The GT3 vs RS styling was a big sticking point for me as well, I wanted the widest and baddest car possible. In the end it was the manual that really swayed me but I also think the RS looks too boy racer and overdone for me now that I'm in my 30's. The GT3 is so aggressive and wide, but still sleek and beautiful. Styling is all a matter of opinion of course and I can definitely understand why some love the RS. I still vividly remember the first time I felt real downforce on my RS test drive, that was pretty sweet and is one thing I do wish the GT3 had more of.

The stock exhaust on these cars leaves a lot to be desired IMO. Given your DSM roots, are you sure you'll leave it alone? Headers give it a nice deep growl, but a good set of dundon headers can run you close to $10k. Tough pill to swallow after dropping $200k on a car.

I think driving a manual 991.2 will either A. Sway your opinion to that car, or B. Settle it for certain that the RS is the way you want to go. Maybe a Renn member in Nashville might be willing to let you have a go in their car, I'm sure there are a few out there.

Also not to get you even more torn between options, but have you considered a PDK 991.1 GT3 at all? They all had an engine engineering defect(and 10yr engine warranty bc of it) so you probably want one with the G6 replacement engine already done. If you decide you prefer PDK anyway it may be an option worth exploring and saving yourself a nice $50k. Then there's also the GT4... drive all that you can before you decide. If nothing else at least you'll never have to wonder if you made the right choice.

Originally Posted by CubsFan1

Over done now that you’re in your 30’s? I’m in trouble. LOL

Have read the RS boy racer comparison endless times on forums. I respect that some feel that way, but you’re more likely to get the middle finger in a Ferrari or Lambo before someone looks at your RS and thinks…wow can’t believe this guy is driving a 911 with a huge wing. IMHO, it looks as natural as a modern Denali on 22” wheels. In the aesthetics department, there may not be a more classy RS than the 991.1RS. No big stickers and all painted to match. If ever a Porsche didn’t need stickers it is an RS.

The exhaust on the 991.1RS has been tested to be one of the loudest ever installed on a car. Trust me, you don’t need to touch it. Not saying a Dundon system wouldn’t sound awesome, just my opinion on the stock setup. Also, the noise with the side intakes enhances the experience. Have owned 911 turbo, it’s a little like that sans the turbo.

Yep, here is some guy defending the RS. Don’t buy it based on my ownership experience. And not claiming it’s better than XYZ. But let’s give credit to an amazing car that doesn’t need to be manual to be exciting to drive. Have been blessed to have other cars, Gallardo, Huracan, etc. The RS was by a mile more fun to drive everywhere.

Originally Posted by Indyxc

Glad to hear people still know what DSMs are. It's what myself, and my friends grew up on. Good ole days.

I have looked at 991.1 PDKs. Those really don't appeal to me at all. The 3.8, PDK only. If I am spending $130k on car, why not spend $200k on the right car. It's all insane at this point. Now, 991.1 GT3RS and 991.2 manual, If I am honest with myself in the end I know I will prefer a manual car, except if it's a GT3 RS, because there is no manual option, and I can't afford a 911R. The GT3 RS has that special sitting in the garage experience, while the 991.2 Manual will probably in the end be a better driving experience.

I really wish I could drive a drive a 991.2 Manual. I reached out to a few sellers of .2 Manuals yesterday and today. You are right, I really need to drive one to make an informed decision. The closets I've come so far is driving the 912 Carrera 4 GTS, and oddly I did not like the manual on it. The shifting was almost too much of a distraction for how fast the car was. That of course was on a first drive, and the 3.0L turbo is not the same as ringing out the 4.0.

I contact the sellers of these 3:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-78ab6c41a360/ (Higher miles, no Carbon Brakes)
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/8...-7196b0aa7fe2/ (Something feels off on this price)
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-09b4ec5ec9a4/ (My front runner, dealer is CPOing it now, and INCLUDES a 2 year warranty). Front PPF, and low miles.

Debating on this one (Love the color), and pulling the cage;
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f...-bba9fe072e27/

Originally Posted by unluckydrawer

just to clarify, the $20k per claim, and $40k cap is for Freedom Warranty, NOT Fidelity

I have both policies. Freedom isn't bad, I have it for my more exotic cars.

but hey what do I know. Listening to larps and hearsay much better than from someone who has the actual policies I'm sure.

Originally Posted by John Clabby

DSM's were a bit before my time (I just turned 30 in June) but somehow I've still read god knows how many hours of forums on them. I grew up in E36's and 240sx's - probably a pretty similar experience fixing my pieces of junk more than I drove them lol. Regardless as a kid the Fast & Furious Eclipse hero car was the 2nd coolest thing on earth to me, behind the Supra of course.

I haven't driven a manual of any P-car that wasn't a GT3 or GT4, but I've had a few newer BMW's in manual that just don't feel right. There are absolutely cars that an auto, DCT, PDK, etc just fits better and the stick feels like an afterthought option. I just took my GT3 out yesterday for the first time in 2 weeks and it's unreal how good these cars drive, and the manual fits it perfectly. The PDK is an engineering marvel and is fun in it's own way, though.

The Voodoo blue car is about an hour from me, if you get serious about it I'm happy to go check it out for you. I also highly recommend a great PPI guy (Michael @ Formula Motorsports in Long Island City) for the general NY area. That car has at least some track use, it was discussed a few pages back in this thread. I considered it in my search but passed because I couldn't get in touch with previous owners to confirm how heavily it was tracked + whether the PCCB used on those track days. All the other links look like they've got their pros/cons. Whatever you do, don't compromise on getting the color you really want the most.

Originally Posted by Indyxc

I sent those to the seller of my local Lava RS, and he cordially told me, good luck finding the car right for me.